Nameless things

Started by Arroch2 pages

Originally posted by I am a Sock
Anyway, what's this 'sea' your talking about, Exa?

~according to Tolkien's drawings and also his descriptions, mainly in the Ambarkanta, under the (plain, flat) earth there is a wide Sea, called Vai, Vaiya or Neni Erùmear; the earth is swimming on it, carried and held by the "words of Ilúvatar"; the oceans are just places where the earth is so thin that this water is able to reach the surface.
In other versions, this Outer Ocean isn't really water, but rather something neither liquid nor a gas like the air, and its "so thin" that only Ulmo's creatures can swim in it, and it's all around the earth in different layers above Ilmen and Vista.

I'm not exactly sure what happened to it when the world was made round after the Downfall of Númenor ~ the drawings from The Shaping Of Middle-Earth show it all around the now globe-shaped earth like in our days atmosphere, stratosphere and so on
Which kinda proves my idea nonsense 😛 that would only work if the world would still be the flat ship of old.

that's umm, confusing. My picture of ME is now shattered.

😆

erm, I cannot totally remember the whole process, but is the sun (when it has set and making its pass through the other end of the earth again) between the sea and the underground of the earth?

Discos - now am totally confused

Originally posted by Discos
erm, I cannot totally remember the whole process, but is the sun (when it has set and making its pass through the other end of the earth again) between the sea and the underground of the earth?

Discos - now am totally confused

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The Sun and the Moon are in Ilmen, the region above Vista and below Vai 😉
Ilmen is the "place of light" and "thinner and more clear" than real air; it's also where all the stars are.
At least in the globe-shaped world of the later ages, Vai[ya] encircles all the world and the other parts of the air, seen from the earth it's "behind" the other airs like Vista and Ilmen.
Vai is "more like water" under the earth and "more like air" above it 🙂

^^
I also just wondered how that's supposed to work because there IS no Ilmen under the earth 😬 must pass through Vaiya then
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