Originally posted by Rasta
You're not Thor. Do not even put yourself in the equation.Thor doesnt exist "Noodle", so your right, i'm not Thor. Also, i'll put myself in the "equation" if I want. I might do it in every thread now just to piss you off.
Speed? That's a huge factor. I thought Thor possessed incredible speeds such as Superman. That's a massive advantage.
Well, your wrong. Supermans alot faster than Thor.
Lol?! I think you're mistaken, what on earth is thunder going to do?
It'll keep you clinging to your mothers leg so that you'll quit posting.
Negative, that was magic.
If Thor conjurs up lightening on a clear day using magic, does the lightening itself not hold some magical properties? I'm not magic, so I honestly cant tell.
As does Superman. He has a hell of a lot of Battle experience.
I dont care how much Superman has, Thor has more. Alot more!
Thor doesnt exist "Noodle", so your right, i'm not Thor.
Thanks for reinforcing my point. Appreciated!
Also, i'll put myself in the "equation" if I want.
I've no objections to you making youself look like a dumbass. It is entirely your own choice.
I might do it in every thread now just to piss you off.
Negative, it does not piss me off. Do it as much as you like.
Well, your wrong. Supermans alot faster than Thor.
I was never wrong; only misinformed. If I were to state he was as fast then I would be wrong, as it would be a statement. Qué el jode son usted diciendo? Sorry! We're using the English language right? You'd do well to remember that.
It'll keep you clinging to your mothers leg so that you'll quit posting.
What's the matter, gettin' all heated now because I proclaimed your noodle status? Aww, bless.
If Thor conjurs up lightening on a clear day using magic, does the lightening itself not hold some magical properties? I'm not magic, so I honestly cant tell.
Makes no sense noodle-jedi. Your superior tells you to consider rephrasing.
I dont care how much Superman has, Thor has more. Alot more!
Alot more? Which is Stated where?
actually i read something abot thor fighting skill being better then supperman,
I said nothing about fighting skill, only battle experience. Just because you have a lot of battle experience, it doesn't necessarily make you a great fighter. Chances are you will be, but it is not guranteed.
thor is a warrior, superman is not an expert in any type of martial arts he´s just to powerful
I believe he recieved training from Mongul in fighting, and how to use his powers in unison, aswell as to hold back less.
well, in narration amongst the thor comics, it was often stated that thor "was as fast as the lightning he commands". thor has the speed to compete with superman. this is a non factor. superman is much faster and much stronger than wonderwoman. but she often holds her own with him. even if superman is holding back (can you say scapegoat). who say's he wouldn't hold back with thor? atleast until he started loosing. thor has been fighting for thousands of years. i'd have to say he does have more fighting experience, and his abilities are greater. but i don't read dc comics on an incredible scale. so i could easily be wrong about superman. no doubt he is powerful. but i think thor would be one of the characters that would make him utilize all of his powers to the best of his abilities if he's going to win. not to mention that mjolnir can absorb any kind of energy that is directed at it. that alone could disable some of superman's abilities. but it's hard to tell who would win. i'd say superman just because they seem to operate on a much higher scale than marvel characters anywa.
Originally posted by eleveninches
The origin of the asgardian pantheon is detailed in Universe X, and other publications.
Universe X does not supersede the current Asgardian motif as conceptualized by Journey Into Mystery writers.
Why? I've no idea about the hammer, and what it can do, so please elaborate.
So glad you asked!
Nullifying vortex (Mjolnir) <------
Thor is able to use Mjolnir to create a vortex around himself and others, if desired. This vortex has been shown take on many properties. It has acted as an anti-magic shield against the Juggernaut, disconnecting his link to the Gem of Cyttorak. It has been used to absorb the Power Cosmic against the Firelord. The vortex can be used as a virtually unbreachable wall, which was useful against an enraged Hulk while Thor wanted to consult with Odin. A vortex has also been created to stop the passage of time within the vortex relative to the world outside. This allowed Thor to finish a battle against the Cobra and Mr. Hyde while delaying death in the mortally wounded Jane Foster.
Detect energy sources (Mjolnir)
Thor can use Mjolnir to find sources of energy or magic. This has been used to find track down, among others, Magneto and the magic Norn Stones.
Absorb and redirect energy (Mjolnir) <---------
Mjolnir is able to absorb and redirect tremendous amounts of various forms of energy. When redirecting energy, Thor has shown the ability to exert some control over it. Some noteworthy examples of absorption include absorbing Magneto's force field, rendering his vulnerable to physical attacks. Mjolnir has also shown the ability to attract and absorb Power Cosmic blasts from the Silver Surfer, removing a significant attack from his arsenal. Another example involved drawing the magnetic energy from a planet and redirecting it into a attack against a Celestial. Only the last example took any additional time or concentration to perform.
Godly essence blast (Mjolnir)
For those really tough villains, Thor is able to channel his godly essence through Mjolnir for a truly monumental attack. This has been used very rarely, as it can weaken Thor considerably. He has used this to kill Jormungand, the Midgard Serpent, to actually drive back the "unstoppable" Juggernaut, and to actually pierce the armor of a Celestial.
Interdimensional travel (Mjolnir)
Traveling to different dimensions (including Asgard) is possible through the use of Mjolnir. This can take three forms: Thor can transport himself and those near him to a desired destination, Thor can throw Mjolnir around a target and warp it to the desired location, or Thor can open a dimensional portal through which anyone can travel through (usually a surprised, onrushing enemy).
Mystic energy blast (Mjolnir)
Thor is able to project powerful mystic energy blasts from his hammer. This tactic is typically only used against opponents that also use energy-based attacks. Similarly, Thor can fire lightning bolts directly from Mjolnir. When this is done, the power of the lightning is magnified greatly.
Flight (Mjolnir)
Thor can fly using Mjolnir. This is typically accomplished by throwing Mjolnir and holding onto its strap. Once airborne, however, Thor is able to maneuver and change direction. This travel can be done at an incredible velocity; Thor has been shown overtaking spaceships that were travelling at near light-speed. After throwing Mjolnir, Thor can remain airborne until the hammer returns to his hand. There is obviously a lot more control here than Thor just hanging on for the ride, but it has never really been explored beyond this.
Control over weather (Mjolnir)
Thor is the god of thunder and storms and has complete control over all forms of weather. He can create raging electrical storms complete with thunder, lightning, hurricane-force winds, tornadoes and torrential rains. He can also create any of these phenomena individually. Another aspect of this power allows him to stop any of these weather conditions as well. The powers are shown as being channeled through Mjolnir. Also, Thor cannot be injured by lightning or any other weather-related effects.
To illustrate the extent of this control, Thor's power of weather can be compared to Storm's, a mutant imbued with weather controlling powers. Although very powerful, Storm can only manipulate existing weather conditions to achieve the desired effect. Creating a thunderstorm in a desert would take much longer than normal. Thor, on the other hand, creates weather conditions as a result of his godhood. Creating a thunderstorm in a desert requires no more effort than normal. While Storm can manipulate weather, Thor can just as easily undo her manipulations with little effort. In Marvel vs. DC, Thor defeated Captain Marvel by simply withholding the lightning that allowed him to transform from Billy Batson into the superhero.
Mjolnir as weapon
As a battle weapon alone, Mjolnir is a formidable force. Forged from the indestructible element uru, the hammer has two enchantments that are particularly useful. The first causes Mjolnir to always return to Thor's hand after being thrown. Or corollary to this is that Thor can "call" the hammer to him. The second is the famous "worthiness" enchantment, which prevents anyone but Thor from wielding the hammer. Of course, the vague wording of this enchantment has allowed a few others to lift the hammer is specific situations. The hammer has other powers which will be listed separately.
Negative, that was magic.
Debated someone on a Superman messageboard regarding Shazam's bolts. Researched quite a bit. Am almost 100% certain that it is magical lightning.
Agree with Juggernaut as regards to Thor being "as fast as the lightning he commands."
Thor has SO many ways he can defeat Superman, not to mention he is by far the better fighter, and more experienced...by far.
So glad you asked!Nullifying vortex (Mjolnir) <------
Thor is able to use Mjolnir to create a vortex around himself and others, if desired. This vortex has been shown take on many properties. It has acted as an anti-magic shield against the Juggernaut, disconnecting his link to the Gem of Cyttorak. It has been used to absorb the Power Cosmic against the Firelord. The vortex can be used as a virtually unbreachable wall, which was useful against an enraged Hulk while Thor wanted to consult with Odin. A vortex has also been created to stop the passage of time within the vortex relative to the world outside. This allowed Thor to finish a battle against the Cobra and Mr. Hyde while delaying death in the mortally wounded Jane Foster.
Detect energy sources (Mjolnir)
Thor can use Mjolnir to find sources of energy or magic. This has been used to find track down, among others, Magneto and the magic Norn Stones.
Absorb and redirect energy (Mjolnir) <---------
Mjolnir is able to absorb and redirect tremendous amounts of various forms of energy. When redirecting energy, Thor has shown the ability to exert some control over it. Some noteworthy examples of absorption include absorbing Magneto's force field, rendering his vulnerable to physical attacks. Mjolnir has also shown the ability to attract and absorb Power Cosmic blasts from the Silver Surfer, removing a significant attack from his arsenal. Another example involved drawing the magnetic energy from a planet and redirecting it into a attack against a Celestial. Only the last example took any additional time or concentration to perform.
Godly essence blast (Mjolnir)
For those really tough villains, Thor is able to channel his godly essence through Mjolnir for a truly monumental attack. This has been used very rarely, as it can weaken Thor considerably. He has used this to kill Jormungand, the Midgard Serpent, to actually drive back the "unstoppable" Juggernaut, and to actually pierce the armor of a Celestial.
Interdimensional travel (Mjolnir)
Traveling to different dimensions (including Asgard) is possible through the use of Mjolnir. This can take three forms: Thor can transport himself and those near him to a desired destination, Thor can throw Mjolnir around a target and warp it to the desired location, or Thor can open a dimensional portal through which anyone can travel through (usually a surprised, onrushing enemy).
Mystic energy blast (Mjolnir)
Thor is able to project powerful mystic energy blasts from his hammer. This tactic is typically only used against opponents that also use energy-based attacks. Similarly, Thor can fire lightning bolts directly from Mjolnir. When this is done, the power of the lightning is magnified greatly.
Flight (Mjolnir)
Thor can fly using Mjolnir. This is typically accomplished by throwing Mjolnir and holding onto its strap. Once airborne, however, Thor is able to maneuver and change direction. This travel can be done at an incredible velocity; Thor has been shown overtaking spaceships that were travelling at near light-speed. After throwing Mjolnir, Thor can remain airborne until the hammer returns to his hand. There is obviously a lot more control here than Thor just hanging on for the ride, but it has never really been explored beyond this.
Control over weather (Mjolnir)
Thor is the god of thunder and storms and has complete control over all forms of weather. He can create raging electrical storms complete with thunder, lightning, hurricane-force winds, tornadoes and torrential rains. He can also create any of these phenomena individually. Another aspect of this power allows him to stop any of these weather conditions as well. The powers are shown as being channeled through Mjolnir. Also, Thor cannot be injured by lightning or any other weather-related effects.
To illustrate the extent of this control, Thor's power of weather can be compared to Storm's, a mutant imbued with weather controlling powers. Although very powerful, Storm can only manipulate existing weather conditions to achieve the desired effect. Creating a thunderstorm in a desert would take much longer than normal. Thor, on the other hand, creates weather conditions as a result of his godhood. Creating a thunderstorm in a desert requires no more effort than normal. While Storm can manipulate weather, Thor can just as easily undo her manipulations with little effort. In Marvel vs. DC, Thor defeated Captain Marvel by simply withholding the lightning that allowed him to transform from Billy Batson into the superhero.
Mjolnir as weapon
As a battle weapon alone, Mjolnir is a formidable force. Forged from the indestructible element uru, the hammer has two enchantments that are particularly useful. The first causes Mjolnir to always return to Thor's hand after being thrown. Or corollary to this is that Thor can "call" the hammer to him. The second is the famous "worthiness" enchantment, which prevents anyone but Thor from wielding the hammer. Of course, the vague wording of this enchantment has allowed a few others to lift the hammer is specific situations. The hammer has other powers which will be listed separately.
Lol. Very in-depth. I'm quite frankly stunned by the power the Hammer holds, definitely puts the fight in a different light.
Researched quite a bit. Am almost 100% certain that it is magical lightning.
That's what I was refering to aswell, that it was magical lightning. While Thor's lightning might have magical properties, as already stated, it's not exactly comparable to Shazam's magic bolts.
Debated someone on a Superman messageboard regarding Shazam's bolts.
Baddd idea! I've been to a few messageboards regarding certain characters, and their so baised it's untrue.
Thor has SO many ways he can defeat Superman
I believe Superman also has ways in which he could Defeat Thor, otherwise he wouldn't have in the comic. Has the Hulk not beaten Thor?
I think that JLA vs. Avengers battle was horribly written either way. Here is another's opinion which I think summed it up pretty well:
"Absolutely. When Superman struck out with his Heat Vision, all Thor needed to do was lift Mjolnir (y'know, the enchanted hammer that absorbs and redirects any and all energy directed at it?) a few inches and block it, like he has done countless times against eyebeams from countless foes (Gladiator, Hyperion, Count Nefaria, Thanos, etc.). Its what you'd expect from someone supposed to be the mightiest warrior in his universe. What happened? Thor opted to walk through the blast, which weakened him so severely that he could barely string a sentence together and practically handed Mjolnir to Superman ( who looked and acted more like the pre-crisis Superman we saw in the 70's than the modern guy). Thor fought like a brainless, unskilled version of the Hulk and deserved to get put down.
But yeah, it was garbage. The fight itself was one of the worst I have ever read; no dynamic poses, nothing more than a few ugly panels (Check the panel where Thor 'skips' through Superman's HV; truly awful). Its not so much that Superman won, its that the fight was rubbish. Both characters are capable of taking far more punishment than they did, considering they were fighting for their universe and all. It should have been an amazing battle, but it was absolute crap. The only thing memorable about the fight is the amount of flak that Marvel got (and are still getting) afterwards for letting Thor be portrayed as such a weakling."
Simonson's is the most accurate portrayal of Thor as warrior in my opinion. Waid? Ehhhh.
Re: Hulk, as with Juggernaut, they are more than a match for Thor in a straight out fistfight. When Thor actually USES Mjolnir, it turns the tide of the battle in his favor. I recall one issue wherein Hulk goaded Thor to fling Mjolnir...and Thor did...and Hulk beat his ass BEFORE the hammer returned...LoL
Mjolnir can negate/absorb anything Superman flings his way if it is energy based. Heat Ray vision? Nullify. Solar reserves? Absorb. Not that he fight would be penned in such a manner - and Thor's intransigence would in all likelihood sully his judgement and he would engage Superman in hand to hand - but Mjolnir's magic based attacks are more than a match for Superman.
Lmfao. Where did you get that? That was hilarious, he makes the comic sound like a ****ing disaster, as I'm sure it was. That's just the kind of humour I love, small or big, exaggeration.
Anyway, so discounting that fight, even that opinion stated it should be an amazing fight. Without the Hammer Superman has a much better chance, compared to with. But with, it tilts in Thors favour. That's not to say Superman couldn't win though, it's just one of them fights again. No clear-cut winner, just likely, and less likely.
I never seem to find these battles in which the biggest heros fight, do they more often that not live up to the hype, or are they all like the Thor/Superman clash?
Originally posted by RastaWhat's the matter, gettin' all heated now because I proclaimed your noodle status? Aww, bless.
Makes no sense noodle-jedi. Your superior tells you to consider rephrasing.
Your use of the phrase "noodle" ,,,, are you speaking about a persons actual brain, or is it some strange fascination you have with the male genetailia?
i have often wondered if mjolnir in thors hand could absorb superman's solar reserves. i have pondered this myself many times. it's hard to say if he's capable of it or not. as for those saying that the lightning itself is magic i'd have to disagree. superman, like juggernaut is susceptable to mystic attacks of sufficient degree. juggernaut wasn't fazed even the slightest by thors lightning. i think pretty much the same thing would happen if he were to strike superman with it. hard to say if the godforce could down superman. he's tough. he's been blasted from the earth to the moon with no damage.
Originally posted by Never
I think that JLA vs. Avengers battle was horribly written either way. Here is another's opinion which I think summed it up pretty well:"Absolutely. When Superman struck out with his Heat Vision, all Thor needed to do was lift Mjolnir (y'know, the enchanted hammer that absorbs and redirects any and all energy directed at it?) a few inches and block it, like he has done countless times against eyebeams from countless foes (Gladiator, Hyperion, Count Nefaria, Thanos, etc.). Its what you'd expect from someone supposed to be the mightiest warrior in his universe. What happened? Thor opted to walk through the blast, which weakened him so severely that he could barely string a sentence together and practically handed Mjolnir to Superman ( who looked and acted more like the pre-crisis Superman we saw in the 70's than the modern guy). Thor fought like a brainless, unskilled version of the Hulk and deserved to get put down.
But yeah, it was garbage. The fight itself was one of the worst I have ever read; no dynamic poses, nothing more than a few ugly panels (Check the panel where Thor 'skips' through Superman's HV; truly
awful). Its not so much that Superman won, its that the fight was rubbish. Both characters are capable of taking far more punishment than they did, considering they were fighting for their universe and all. It should have been an amazing battle, but it was absolute crap. The only thing memorable about the fight is the amount of flak that Marvel got (and are still getting) afterwards for letting Thor be portrayed as such a weakling."Simonson's is the most accurate portrayal of Thor as warrior in my opinion. Waid? Ehhhh.
Re: Hulk, as with Juggernaut, they are more than a match for Thor in a straight out fistfight. When Thor actually USES Mjolnir, it turns the tide of the battle in his favor. I recall one issue wherein Hulk goaded Thor to fling Mjolnir...and Thor did...and Hulk beat his ass BEFORE the hammer returned...LoL
Mjolnir can negate/absorb anything Superman flings his way if it is energy based. Heat Ray vision? Nullify. Solar reserves? Absorb. Not that he fight would be penned in such a manner - and Thor's intransigence would in all likelihood sully his judgement and he would engage Superman in hand to hand - but Mjolnir's magic based attacks are more than a match for Superman.
Agree with every single word of this! Even the only bit I liked about the comic😖uperman with cap's shield and Mjolnir, particualrly where he uses it to smash through the final wall of Krona's defence could have been drawn so much better.All of the art sucked and the dialogue was weak as f*ck!
Originally posted by JuggernautFan
i have often wondered if mjolnir in thors hand could absorb superman's solar reserves.
Solar is a form energy.
Absorb and redirect energy (Mjolnir) <---------
Mjolnir is able to absorb and redirect tremendous amounts of various forms of energy.
Yes he could, as could Quasar, Captain Marvel, and so many others...
hard to say if the godforce could down superman.
The Godforce is magical. Shazam put him on his ass by just saying "Shazam."
read this guys.its a good account of afight between these twohttp://www.electricferret.com/fights/hardrain.htm
Originally posted by kal-el
you don't like it?.I think it's pretty funny.They only adapt it to match the votes and I think they do pretty well, they comment on all their abilities and shit. Check out the cap v bats one. Its the result I'd have gone with.
the thing is i´m a big dracula fan, and when i read the story between buffy vs dracula, i almost had a stroke, lol.
there are cool things, but others that don´t make sense, take for an instant, thor beat superman, but against wonder woman he lost, doesn´t make sense i think.