Originally posted by Wynndar
people like Phoenix and Nate Grey should not be mentioned...really strong for earthlings, but they r not in the same league as Thanos with the Infinity Guantlet or the Beyonder/ Beyonders who can control reality.
When I mentioned pheonix, I did not mean either jean or rachel. I was referring to the pheonix force from where they draw their pheonix power from. The pheonix force has existed since the big bang, and is not necesseraly tied to jean or rachel.
The Question is who can do it and survive and someone who could wouldn't so what remains is for those who can't to determine what will become of themselves.
There is a rumor that Galactus` death fortells the end of Marvel Universe. It is yet to be determined if that is myth or truth. I didn't compare or suggest that Celestials were the same as entities such as Death or Eternity. If you saw my thread on Celestials I said what i think they are.
They are like false prophets. They deliver the races that believe in superstions of science or gods by either destroying them or by ingesting them into their being. They get rid of the problem that won't go away on its own. They must be self sustaining so that when they destroy the Universe; once they have completed their task, they eradicate themselves, getting rid of any mess. The draw and allure to their temporary power source is enough for problem societies to attach themselves to Celestial magnificence.
Those that can't be destroyed, like me for instance, dont' see the Universe as everything or anything to be lost.
So having said that, Celestial power must be sufficiant to destroy a maco-verse of the Universe. It is a question of how they will implode/explode themselves.
Do they want to be at certian locations to make the best show of it?
More than likely they are backed by the power of the Tribunal and the other entities.
Of course if every move you make has the ability to destroy the universe, then when the bell tolls and that guy punching the air has destroyed everything he is capable of destroying, he took all the ass with him. Intent is a powerfull thing. It would be easy to dismiss life as a irrelivant little game where everyone gets to have what they want. Of course with life comes the responsibility for what got you here and where you are headed. No one else is to blame for you if your punching air to destroy a universe. Just make sure you know there are others that won't take the fall with you.
Originally posted by Linkalicious
Phoenix? Dark Phoenix? Please....she doesn't even deserve to be mentioned.
Um, Dark Phoenix already did. You guys just do not realize how powerful Dark Phoenix was, do you? She'd chomp Superman with but a thought. *belch*
Galactus cannot.
Nate Grey cannot.
Molecule Man cannot.
Originally posted by Rasta
Dark Phoenix blew up the Universe? Jesus, I had no idea she/he was that powerful.Any others who have blew up the Universe that have not been mentioned?
In the "What-If" issue - well, don't quote me on that, it might be "Phoenix The Untold Story," cannot recall exactly which - she "came to" after she realized she killed Cyclops. She was in "bloodlust" mode, if you will. After that the fiery Phoenix - her energy signature - grew and consumed Earth (she lashed out), then the surrounding planets, then the galaxy, then the universe.
I am assuming you are using "far-fetched" in one of two ways - questioning my recollection of the events, or questioning Dark Phoenix's powers.
I am now positive it was "What If Phoenix Lived." I also have "What If Jean Grey Rose Again." On the cover of that one Jean Grey is in green and gold. That is the incorrect issue.
It was the issue in which Dark Phoenix slipped out one evening to "feed." She consumed a sun. She kept saying to herself "no one will ever know." She flew back. Xavier knew what she did all along. At the end after the Phoenix Force consumes the universe, you see The Watcher on the last page observing.
If questioning her powers, do notice I said consumed a sun. Gentlemen, Galactus consumes planets, and needs equipment in order to convert it into the requisite energy type. She consumes SUNS and instantly.
In the issue Xavier essentially said "We cannot allow you to do that again." Dark Phoenix got that glint in her eye and responded by asking "who are you to allow ME to do anything?" She then killed Havoc, Nightcrawler, Colossus, and Wolverine. Xavier engaged her in a test of willpower. You see them both squinting their eyes. It then says Xavier realized Dark Phoenix was merely TOYING with him. You then see Xavier doubling over and falling forward out of his chair. Cyclops then screamed "Jean NO!" and hit her with his HARDEST blast. It only knocked her off-balance. She sent a blast of energy through his chest.
If you are STILL questioning her powers, Xavier is one of the world's foremost telepaths. She TOYED with him. She beat him without even TRYING. Cyclops hit her with his HARDEST concussive beam. It merely made her lean a little to the side.
"Dark Phoenix (and of course, Phoenix) had extreme telepathic, telekinetic, and pyrokinetic powers. In addition, she also exhibited the following abilites at various times: altering the molecular structure of items, not needing to breathe, and in general whatever else she wanted."
Pay special attention to this part: "and in general whatever else she wanted."
Other quotes.
"The Phoenix is the most powerful force ever to be held in mortal hands at ANY comics company."
"Dark Phoenix tears through star systems and galaxies in the blink of an eye."
NOBODY drew her better than John Byrne and Paul Smith did. Honorable mention to John Romita Jr.
LoL, better ask somebody! Remember Rachel beat Galactus with The Phoenix Force. Dark Phoenix was FAR nastier.
Found the issue. It is "What If Phoenix Had Not Died," Issue #27.
Arachnoid, Dark Phoenix (and Jean Grey actually) could manipulate molecular matter. On page 17 she created a spacesuit for Kitty Pryde out of nothing when she burst out of her spaceship.
"Phoenix gestures...and a protective spacesuit encases the child!"
She consumed the sun I referenced on page 31.
"Surely no one will mind if I consume a very small star, with no inhabited planets. Who'll miss it? Who'll ever know?" -- she did not know that the star was a sun and had inhabited planets orbiting it.
Page 32 she kills Kitty Pryde (forgot about that one). Page 33 Professor X says "I...could destroy your entire mind....and rob you of intelligence...forever!" Dark Phoenix responds, "You could try."
Page 34 -- "Too late, Charles Xavier realizes that she is only toying with him." She turned him into a vegetable actually. Slams Angel into a wall and kills him on page 35; buries Storm alive on page 35; drops a building on Iceman on page 35; "Enjoy your taste of hellfire!" -- Nightcrawler, page 35; reverses Colossus and Wolverine's fastball special and kills Colossus, page 37; drags Wolverine into Nightcrawler's pyre, page 37; kills Polaris, page 37; Havoc THEN hit her with all of his power, staggering her - she sent the blast through HIS chest, not Scott's: page 38; Cyclops THEN hit her full blast also but she did not even budge, just returned a blast and killed him. She then realized she killed Scott, and...
"In Jean Grey's moment of anguish, the Phoenix Power engulfs her, and continues to spread and grow until it engulfs the entire city...and the earth itself. And still it does not stop, but continues to grow...expanding ever outward, across the universe...destroying everything in its path." -- page 39.
LoL, this was the issue Wolverine8888 was talking about when he said "it never happened like that."