Thanos has concrete facts.
Thanos always win or stalemate, anyway, he manage to survive.
Apocalypse durability, energy manip/emission and physical strenght never showed to be on Thanos level.
Tyrant's blast which atomized half of his fortress will destroy Apocalypse, Thanos took it and was still alive.Yes he wasn't able to K.O. Tyrant, but still was on his feet.
Apocalypse only REAL feet is Cable saing he will rule in the future.
Actually, he has got his ass beaten on major occasions.
If/When Thanos lose, he does it in a respectful way.
Originally posted by Lord S
Well until that day comes that Apocalypse battles beings on par with Odin and Tyrant, he'll always be regarded as inferior to Thanos in every respect.[b]As far as power goes Thanos may have the Power Cosmic, superstrength surpassing the Hulk, and Durability that can withstand beatings from Odin.
Thanos does not have the 'Power Cosmic'...though he does wield tremendous cosmic power.
That being said I find it hard to believe that Apocalypse wouldn't be able to manage these same feats.
Well give us a real reason why...Apocalypse couldn't withstand an optic blast from Cyclops, a TK attack from Jean Grey, and more recently a whisper from Black Bolt. You really think he can go toe-to-toe with beings like Odin and Tyrant???
Since Apocalypse could become a giant possibly a thousand feet or so. In addition Apocalypse can tap an extradimesional source allowing him to increase his strength and degree of power he takes in. In addiion Apocalypse can alter his atomic structure.
Size means absolutely nothing...Sentinels are friggin huge, but get chopped down to size by the X-Men with regularity. As far as his 'extradimensional power' goes, until he's actually displayed this uncanny ability in a comic book, I won't believe it.
The way I see it is that Thanos would most likely get overwhelmed by Apocalypse, which result in him retreating.
Well then you'd have to be an ignorant X-fanboy on crack, and I hope you're not that. [/B]
As for Apocalypse battling beings on par with Odin and Tyrant I would say The High Evolutionary and PE Ikaris qualify. Since the High Evolutionary has beaten Thor, and held his own against Galactus. PE Ikaris is the most powerful Eternal from Earth who's power is on par with Thanos.
Well give us a real reason why...Apocalypse couldn't withstand an optic blast from Cyclops, a TK attack from Jean Grey, and more recently a whisper from Black Bolt. You really think he can go toe-to-toe with beings like Odin and Tyrant???
Well for an answer to Apocalypse not dealing with the Xmen, he defeated 6 in under sixty seconds. This was in X-cutioners Song part 5, when Apocalypse was severely weakened. In X-factor Annual 3 Apocalypse toys with High Evolutionary, not stalemated since The High Evolutionary couldn't land one blow. In addition Apocalypse battled Ikaris in New Eternals: Apocalypse Now #1. Apocalypse also easily overpowered the Hulk in Incredible Hulk #456 by choking him out. So I think these are a few reasons why Apocalypse could hang with Odin or Tyrant. But, since you insist on bringing up the Odin and Thanos battle need I remind you it was a completely one sided beating for Thanos. Odin completely humiliated Thanos in the battle they had. However, Thanos managed better against Tyrant. That Blackbolt whisper wouldn't happen to be from Black Panther tie-in #7 would it. Since they terribly wrote Apocalypse in this issue.
Size means absolutely nothing...Sentinels are friggin huge, but get chopped down to size by the X-Men with regularity. As far as his 'extradimensional power' goes, until he's actually displayed this uncanny ability in a comic book, I won't believe it.
You say size means nothing, yet the Sentinels took over the world in Days Future Past where the Sentinels slaughtered many X-men. As for Apocalypse's extradimensional power, this is the power that can immeasurably increase his strength beyond what it already is. In addition Tap into more power if necessary. However, since Apocalypse is already more powerful than most of his enemies he has no need to tap into the extradimensional power.
Well then you'd have to be an ignorant X-fanboy on crack, and I hope you're not that.
Actually I'm a more of an Avengers and Thor fan than a X-men fan. It's just that I couldn't see Apocalypse loosing to Thanos. Now Darkseid I could understand him beating Apocalypse because of the Omega Effect.
Thanos is cursed by death, so when he came back from the dead he became more powerful than before. Thanos has cosmic/plasma energy projection, he can manuiplate any forms of energy where Apocalpyse can't, he can teleport vast distances, vast psionic powers, and other abilities he had battle Skyfathers Odin , Tyrant and cosmic dietys, who the f**k has Apocalpyse has fought worth talking about.
Thanos has fought beings that will crush Apocalpyse to dust. Thanos has fought Odin to a stand still, In-betweener for the mind gem and won, Champion of The Universe for the power gem and won, Galactus, The Maker (true beyonder), The Runner for the space gem, Tyrant, Adam Warlock, Silver Surfer, Grandmaster, The Runner, The Magus the list goes on you have to have some serious power to f**k with these guys and live, Apocalpyse would get rape from jump.
Who has Apocalpyse has fought worth even talking about, nobody can't get pass the X-men and you want to compare Apocalpyse to Thanos, you should get your comics and sale them.
Originally posted by babel10Ikaris and the High Evolutionary together are not a match for someone like Tyrant...let alone Odin. HE holding his own against Thor does not qualify him to be on par with a Skyfather. Gladiator held his own against Thor as well...beat the crap out of him, does that mean he can suddenly challenge Odin, too?
As for Apocalypse battling beings on par with Odin and Tyrant I would say The High Evolutionary and PE Ikaris qualify. Since the High Evolutionary has beaten Thor, and held his own against Galactus.
PE Ikaris is the most powerful Eternal from Earth who's power is on par with Thanos.
Uh, not even close. What has he done to convince you that he's equal to Thanos? Thanos is vastly powerful Titan Eternal who easily dwarfs all of his fellow Eternals.
Well for an answer to Apocalypse not dealing with the Xmen, he defeated 6 in under sixty seconds. This was in X-cutioners Song part 5, when Apocalypse was severely weakened.
An achievement, to be sure. While Thanos has taken on both Thor and Thing at the same time, and put them both down. He regularly bitchslaps the Silver Surfer, and has slapped both Hulk and Drax, calling them 'dull-witted brutes'.
In X-factor Annual 3 Apocalypse toys with High Evolutionary, not stalemated since The High Evolutionary couldn't land one blow.
Why are you making it sound so one-sided? They were both sort of sparring. Nothing more. It's not like it was total Apoc domination. Give me a break.
In addition Apocalypse battled Ikaris in New Eternals: Apocalypse Now #1. Apocalypse also easily overpowered the Hulk in Incredible Hulk #456 by choking him out.
You think Thanos can't handle Ikaris? As mentioned, he bitchslaps the Silver Surfer like it's nothing...the Surfer is way more powerful than Ikaris, and would humiliate Apocalypse with ease. Apoc hardly 'choked the Hulk out'...he was restraining him, yes, but as mentioned above, Thanos easily slapped Hulk and Drax at the same time at the end of 'Infinity Gauntlet'.
So I think these are a few reasons why Apocalypse could hang with Odin or Tyrant.
Yet he gets completely owned by Cyclops...so I guess Cyclops can hang with Odin and Tyrant as well, right? Not to mention Jean Grey, who was able to crack Apoc's mask open, exposing his human face.
But, since you insist on bringing up the Odin and Thanos battle need I remind you it was a completely one sided beating for Thanos. Odin completely humiliated Thanos in the battle they had. However, Thanos managed better against Tyrant.
And the point being made is that if you put Apocalypse in Thanos' place...he doesn't last very long.
That Blackbolt whisper wouldn't happen to be from Black Panther tie-in #7 would it. Since they terribly wrote Apocalypse in this issue.
Why is it whenever Apocalypse loses it's considered 'bad writing'? Maybe that's the way he is MEANT to be written. As a crappy villain, which is what he is. In 5000 (or 2000, not sure) years he's accomplished next to squat. His name doesn't deserve to be in the same sentence with someone as accomplished as Thanos.
You say size means nothing, yet the Sentinels took over the world in Days Future Past where the Sentinels slaughtered many X-men.
So what? Sentinels still almost always gets put down by X-Men with relative ease.
As for Apocalypse's extradimensional power, this is the power that can immeasurably increase his strength beyond what it already is. In addition Tap into more power if necessary.
I know you read this out of a bio...but until it's displayed in an actual comic book, it's nothing more than hyperbolas speculation. Just like his 'incalculable strength' and famous ability to 'grant himself any power he chooses'. It's all a crock of shit, IMO.
However, since Apocalypse is already more powerful than most of his enemies he has no need to tap into the extradimensional power.
If he's so damn powerful, why does he get pwn3d all the time? Because of Mr. Sinister's scheming? Still, if he was so powerful wouldn't he be able to overcome anything?
Here's the part where you tell me that he's a bad guy, and bad guys lose...well Thanos is a bad guy too, and he loses also, but at least he manages to pull off impressive feats before losing, and that's the only way you can judge who the stronger villain is, and Thanos is easily way ahead of Apocalypse, and outclasses him in every respect.
It's just that I couldn't see Apocalypse loosing to Thanos. Now Darkseid I could understand him beating Apocalypse because of the Omega Effect.
Wait, so you can see Apocalypse losing to Darkseid but not Thanos? There's no logic there, cause Thanos is widely regarded as being on par, or a little more powerful than Darkseid.
Anyway, in the end it all boils down to one thing: Apocalypse is sorely outclassed against Thanos.
End of story.
Originally posted by Lord S
Ikaris and the High Evolutionary together are not a match for someone like Tyrant...let alone Odin. HE holding his own against Thor does not qualify him to be on par with a Skyfather. Gladiator held his own against Thor as well...beat the crap out of him, does that mean he can suddenly challenge Odin, too?[b]PE Ikaris is the most powerful Eternal from Earth who's power is on par with Thanos.
Uh, not even close. What has he done to convince you that he's equal to Thanos? Thanos is vastly powerful Titan Eternal who easily dwarfs all of his fellow Eternals.
Well for an answer to Apocalypse not dealing with the Xmen, he defeated 6 in under sixty seconds. This was in X-cutioners Song part 5, when Apocalypse was severely weakened.
An achievement, to be sure. While Thanos has taken on both Thor and Thing at the same time, and put them both down. He regularly bitchslaps the Silver Surfer, and has slapped both Hulk and Drax, calling them 'dull-witted brutes'.
In X-factor Annual 3 Apocalypse toys with High Evolutionary, not stalemated since The High Evolutionary couldn't land one blow.
Why are you making it sound so one-sided? They were both sort of sparring. Nothing more. It's not like it was total Apoc domination. Give me a break.
In addition Apocalypse battled Ikaris in New Eternals: Apocalypse Now #1. Apocalypse also easily overpowered the Hulk in Incredible Hulk #456 by choking him out.
You think Thanos can't handle Ikaris? As mentioned, he bitchslaps the Silver Surfer like it's nothing...the Surfer is way more powerful than Ikaris, and would humiliate Apocalypse with ease. Apoc hardly 'choked the Hulk out'...he was restraining him, yes, but as mentioned above, Thanos easily slapped Hulk and Drax at the same time at the end of 'Infinity Gauntlet'.
So I think these are a few reasons why Apocalypse could hang with Odin or Tyrant.
Yet he gets completely owned by Cyclops...so I guess Cyclops can hang with Odin and Tyrant as well, right? Not to mention Jean Grey, who was able to crack Apoc's mask open, exposing his human face.
But, since you insist on bringing up the Odin and Thanos battle need I remind you it was a completely one sided beating for Thanos. Odin completely humiliated Thanos in the battle they had. However, Thanos managed better against Tyrant.
And the point being made is that if you put Apocalypse in Thanos' place...he doesn't last very long.
That Blackbolt whisper wouldn't happen to be from Black Panther tie-in #7 would it. Since they terribly wrote Apocalypse in this issue.
Why is it whenever Apocalypse loses it's considered 'bad writing'? Maybe that's the way he is MEANT to be written. As a crappy villain, which is what he is. In 5000 (or 2000, not sure) years he's accomplished next to squat. His name doesn't deserve to be in the same sentence with someone as accomplished as Thanos.
You say size means nothing, yet the Sentinels took over the world in Days Future Past where the Sentinels slaughtered many X-men.
So what? Sentinels still almost always gets put down by X-Men with relative ease.
As for Apocalypse's extradimensional power, this is the power that can immeasurably increase his strength beyond what it already is. In addition Tap into more power if necessary.
I know you read this out of a bio...but until it's displayed in an actual comic book, it's nothing more than hyperbolas speculation. Just like his 'incalculable strength' and famous ability to 'grant himself any power he chooses'. It's all a crock of shit, IMO.
However, since Apocalypse is already more powerful than most of his enemies he has no need to tap into the extradimensional power.
If he's so damn powerful, why does he get pwn3d all the time? Because of Mr. Sinister's scheming? Still, if he was so powerful wouldn't he be able to overcome anything?
Here's the part where you tell me that he's a bad guy, and bad guys lose...well Thanos is a bad guy too, and he loses also, but at least he manages to pull off impressive feats before losing, and that's the only way you can judge who the stronger villain is, and Thanos is easily way ahead of Apocalypse, and outclasses him in every respect.
It's just that I couldn't see Apocalypse loosing to Thanos. Now Darkseid I could understand him beating Apocalypse because of the Omega Effect.
Wait, so you can see Apocalypse losing to Darkseid but not Thanos? There's no logic there, cause Thanos is widely regarded as being on par, or a little more powerful than Darkseid.
Anyway, in the end it all boils down to one thing: Apocalypse is sorely outclassed against Thanos.
End of story. [/B]
Ikaris and the High Evolutionary together are not a match for someone like Tyrant...let alone Odin. HE holding his own against Thor does not qualify him to be on par with a Skyfather. Gladiator held his own against Thor as well...beat the crap out of him, does that mean he can suddenly challenge Odin, too?
Ikaris is the Prime Eternal so that puts him near Zuras in terms of power which rivals Thanos. As for the High Evolutionary, what makes you say he couldn't hold his own with Odin if he did with Galactus.
Uh, not even close. What has he done to convince you that he's equal to Thanos? Thanos is vastly powerful Titan Eternal who easily dwarfs all of his fellow Eternals.
PE Ikaris is at least equal to Zuras, who was able to battle Zeus. Zeus is an equal of Odin in terms of power. Thus PE Ikaris could hold his own against Thanos.
An achievement, to be sure. While Thanos has taken on both Thor and Thing at the same time, and put them both down. He regularly bitchslaps the Silver Surfer, and has slapped both Hulk and Drax, calling them 'dull-witted brutes'.
Well I agree Thanos putting down Thing and Thor at the same time is impressive. However, what I'm having trouble understanding is that you assume Apocalypse can't do the same. Since Thing gets easily overpowered by beings arounds the Hulks strength. As for Thor, he is powerful, but could also be taken out by people like Gladiator, and probably War Hulk. Since Apocalypse Stronger than Hulk and highly versatile he could also manage beating Thor and Thing at the same time. The Silver Surfer is powerful and possesses the power cosmic, however, Thor has managed to give the Surfer trouble.
Why are you making it sound so one-sided? They were both sort of sparring. Nothing more. It's not like it was total Apoc domination. Give me a break.
It was one-sided. Apocalypse teleported to the High Evolutionary and proceeded to lecture him on evolution while still staying several steps ahead in the fight.
You think Thanos can't handle Ikaris? As mentioned, he bitchslaps the Silver Surfer like it's nothing...the Surfer is way more powerful than Ikaris, and would humiliate Apocalypse with ease. Apoc hardly 'choked the Hulk out'...he was restraining him, yes, but as mentioned above, Thanos easily slapped Hulk and Drax at the same time at the end of 'Infinity Gauntlet'.
I didn't say Thanos couldn't beat PE Ikaris, Thanos probaly could, but he couldn't easily dominate him. The Silver Surfer is powerful, but I doubt he could humiliate Apocalypse. Since Apocalypse is so versatile he could adapt to the way the Surfer fights.
the point being made is that if you put Apocalypse in Thanos' place...he doesn't last very long.
I'm not so sure since Apocalypse when he is healthy is as versatile as you can get. Odin probably would have a hard time hitting Apocalypse since he can easily shift his body to maneuver around any attack.
Why is it whenever Apocalypse loses it's considered 'bad writing'? Maybe that's the way he is MEANT to be written. As a crappy villain, which is what he is. In 5000 (or 2000, not sure) years he's accomplished next to squat. His name doesn't deserve to be in the same sentence with someone as accomplished as Thanos.
In 5,000 years Apocalypse has accomplished a lot such as periodically through history altering beings in order to become future henchmen. Apocalypse is responsible for Mr. Sinister, Exodus, Ozymandias, and Archangel each from a different part of human history. Apocalypse also takes over the world for over a thousand years in the future.
I know you read this out of a bio...but until it's displayed in an actual comic book, it's nothing more than hyperbolas speculation. Just like his 'incalculable strength' and famous ability to 'grant himself any power he chooses'. It's all a crock of shit, IMO.
As for Apocalypse having incalculable strength , his strength is definitely incalculable. However, Thanos, Morg, Angry Hulk, Gladiator, Hercules to name a few all have incalculable strength. But, since Apocalypse can change his size, density, and composition Apocalypse could raise his strength to an even higher degree than the ones mentioned.
If he's so damn powerful, why does he get pwn3d all the time? Because of Mr. Sinister's scheming? Still, if he was so powerful wouldn't he be able to overcome anything?
Apocalypse does overcome virtually any and everything put in his way. Such as Cable, who was made by Sinister to rid the world of Apocalypse. Cable only managed this when Apocalypse didn't have a body in the 12 storyline. In addition, Ozymandias, and Mr. Sinister were also providing information for when Apocalypse was vulnerable.
Here's the part where you tell me that he's a bad guy, and bad guys lose...well Thanos is a bad guy too, and he loses also, but at least he manages to pull off impressive feats before losing, and that's the only way you can judge who the stronger villain is, and Thanos is easily way ahead of Apocalypse, and outclasses him in every respect.
I'm not convinced since Thanos under his own power is impressive. But, what you might be referring to is when he had the Infinity Gauntlet, the Heart of the Universe, etc. Which doesn't qualify as saying he's the stronger villain.
Wait, so you can see Apocalypse losing to Darkseid but not Thanos? There's no logic there, cause Thanos is widely regarded as being on par, or a little more powerful than Darkseid.
I said I could see Apocalypse loosing to Darkseid's omega effect, which wipes people out of existence. But, if Darkseid doesn't use it than Apocalypse would dominate him. But, not only Apocalypse would fall to the omega effect. Thanos, Odin, The heralds of Galactus, The High Evolutionary, and Adam Warlock would also all be wiped from existence from the omega effect.[QUOTE]
Originally posted by Lord S
An achievement, to be sure. While Thanos has taken on both Thor and Thing at the same time, and put them both down. He regularly bitchslaps the Silver Surfer, and has slapped both Hulk and Drax, calling them 'dull-witted brutes'.
Apocalypse isn't.
Thanos is one of the most powerful eternals, Thanos can do what other eternal's can do but better. Thanos is like batman he thinks 10 steps ahead of his opponents and before they least expects open a can of whoop a$$. Thanos has cosmic and plasma energy blast and can fuse the two power source into a power blast like he did against Galactus, and he held his own against a Cosmic God he would blink Apocalypse out of existences.
Com on guys......... Thanos will win !!!
Lets say Apoc used full powers, grew into a 600ft giant, charging his fists till it glows, grins his teeth, ....... So what, show me Apoc's full power blast !!!
It cant take out a mega-fortress !!! It cant empower someone with the power of a thunder god !!! All it does is just flatten Jean Gray's boobs !!!
And Thanos, ..... dude he made Galactus had a stomach ache !!! Took a blast from Tyrant, Odin, Thor, Thing, ............. and lived to tell about it !!!