Originally posted by SoljerGoku NEEDED to fuse with Gohan or Vegeta to beat Super Buu. He was able to deal with Kid Buu by his lonesome. Hell, he faired about as well against Fat Buu as he did against Kid Buu.
He would have fused with Vegeta against Kid Buu if he was fused himself at that point. He stated it would be unfair.
Which I dont get since his intentions were to send Gotenks to fight Fat Buu.
Originally posted by Lord Evolution
He would have fused with Vegeta against Kid Buu if he was fused himself at that point. He stated it would be unfair.Which I dont get since his intentions were to send Gotenks to fight Fat Buu.
Okay, I read, like, 7 pages of this thread before I gave up, so someone may have answered this already, but if you have would you mind answering again? Okay, here goes:
Now, I'm going by the definition of "Buff Buu" to mean Kid Buu after he absorbed South Kai, but before he absorbed Dai Kai. If Goku and Vegita turned Super Buu 3 (using the definition consistently given in this thread... you know, the guy they were inside of) into Kid Buu by cutting out the pods containing Piccolo, Gohan, Goten, Trunks, and the Buu you all refer to as "Mr. Buu", then where, oh where, has the South Kai gone? Is he in Mr. Buu? Because, when Fat Buu's puppy was shot, he separated into Gray Buu (as previously dubbed) and Mr. Buu. Now, Gray Buu didn't have any of the Z fighters inside him, yet was pretty powerful, so I would assume that his part contained the South Kai, where Mr. Buu retained Dai Kai. This assumption may be fallous, we've already determined that Kid Buu is the pure evil that was within Buu, and that the puppy incident drove the evil power out of Buu as well as most of his strength, which he had previously gained from South Kai. So it makes sense then that Gray Buu = Kid Buu + South Kai - Dai Kai. Now, this math is obviously a bit smeared, as Dai Kai is not subtracted in pure form, and is merged with Buu permanently in the form of Mr. Buu. This also accounts for the fact that Gray Buu looks different than "Buff Buu". Now, I can't remember what exactly you guys said was the power level difference between Buff Buu and Gray Buu, but, level of evil aside, aren't they a combination of the same two beings? And if that is the case, is Mr. Buu pretty much the same guy that Dai Kai was?
Now, an alternative theory is that South Kai and Dai Kai were a part of Buu for so long that their beings degenerated, so that they were completely a part of Buu, not just absorbed, but fully integrated. If that is the case, (which seems plausible in that there were no people pods containing Dai Kai or South Kai inside of Super Buu) then the new Kid Buu could not have been the same as the original Kid Buu created by Bibidi. This is too long... I'll submit another reply about my logic here.
Okay, the old Kid Buu vs. new Kid Buu logic....
Old Kid Buu + South Kai = Buff Buu.
Buff Buu + Dai Kai = Fat Buu.
Many, many, many years later....
Fat Buu - Mr. Buu = Gray Buu.
Now, were this algebra, we might assume that Mr. Buu = Dai Kai and that Gray Buu = Kid Buu + South Kai. But, this isn't the case, or Dai Kai would have come out of the subtraction, instead of Fat Buu (i.e., he would have looked different, and had Dai Kai's memories and motivations, such as maybe a desire to speak to the new Supreme Kai about everything that happened). So, then, Mr. Buu =/= Dai Kai, Mr. Buu = the goodness of Buu and Gray Buu = the evilness of Buu + most of his strength.
So now, Gray Buu eats Mr. Buu and becomes (what did you guys call this guy? I'll call him Pre-Z Buu, since he was before the Z fighters were absorbed). I'll assume he did this because he wanted Mr. Buu's energy, and not his influence on his personality. Kinda like a dog eating its placenta (sorry about the visual), the dog doesn't get the placenta back in the form of a placenta, just in the form of energy. He wanted to recombine him differently, see? so, we have Pre-Z Buu, oh, wait, Super Buu, now I remember. So, we have Super Buu, who goes on to absorb the Z fighters, but since they are taken out without become as... digested... as the Kais, we'll ignore his further transformations until Mr. Buu is separated from him. That's when he returns to Kid Buu (interestingly enough, not Gray Buu). Still, what's left must, logically speaking, be a different Kid Buu than the original one, unless Mr. Buu was given back all the strength that was separated from him when he first separated from Gray Buu (translation: he was given back what part of Buu was formed from the digestion of the South Kai). So, either Old Kid Buu =/= New Kid Buu, or Old Mr. Buu =/= New Mr. Buu.
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all right all right look. kid buu is the original and pure form of majin buu. as stated by the elder kai and kibitokai, with EVERY KAI ABSORTION buu got weaker, evil wise and essentially power wise( the good forced him to hold power back) to this conclusion buff buu is weaker than kid buu, and fat buu is weaker than buff buu. now when evil buu is expelled hes the stronger out of him and fat buu, so he wins and takes him. now evil buu got stronger, but not as strong as he couldve got(this buu known as mr buu is now good, but not pure hearted like ALL THE KAIS(WHICH EFFECT A BUU WHEN ABSORBED) the kais only, so evil buu turned into super buu1.now this buu is stronger than fat buu, but still weaker than buff buu(because more good still resiseds within him). after absorbing gotenks and picoolo, this buu is on even terms with buff buu( the z warriors made up for that loss of energy the absorbtions caused. gohan buu is in fact the most powerful buu, powerful but not best.ill explain why later. so now vegeta rips fat buu out of super buu causing all good to be deprived of buu, casing all kai presences to be gone, causing buus true power to be reawakend, causing super buu to revert to buff buu, finally back down to kid buu. during this transformation, its goku who first states" if this keeps up hell be stronger than he was before" before rferring to super buu1, whos weaker than buff buu because of not only having 2 kais in him,but one of them is the pure hearted daio-kaioshin(the other that old fart kai) which brings his power down substantially. now goku ss3 stood no chance against super buu right, yet during this transformation buu becomes stronger than super buu 1 and 2.(the loss of the kais power holding him back)now before buff buu shows, vegeta again states;ho can he be increasing instead of decreasing; proving further that buff buu is stronger than super buu and buff buu thenreverts back to super buu.get it, fat buu is the last stage of majin buu, each form (without z warriors) increased buus power as he reverted back to kid buu.now vegeta says; its hard to tell if hes increased or decreased, quickly followed by an energy blast that overwhelms him and goku. buuhan is the strongest buu but not the best. his abilitys exceed all others but kid buus. kid buu has over him endurance, stamina, energy, and crazinness, also regenerates quicker and can take bigger blast(ex his blast blowing up earth=10x over and over again all at once) kid buu is the overall better and crazy buu but buuhan is stronger(not by a long shot, but he is) and smarter
Originally posted by kidbuu23
no are you stupid as stated by elder kai kid buu got weaker when he absorbed the SUPREME KAIS, ITS JUST THAT THE DAIO KAISHIN HAD THE GREATEST EFFECT ON HIM USE COMMON SENSE BOY..doesnt matter super buu gohan absorbed is the strongest and smarest buu but as i said before the better buu is kid buu