Originally posted by SamZEDCarnage's was bonded in his bloodstream though. Most fights I recall between the two had a plot device used to assist Venom. I'm just saying I don't think Venom would do well against Carnage straight up in the same mentality, like Spiderman wouldn't do as well that way against Venom, they'd have to be crafty. Now if Carnage is like "Go away Brock" then yea he'll get some hits on him... full powered it seems like that isn't the case.
But there were times when plot device was used on both of them and there are other fights with Carnage fighting at his fullest with no PIS with the same outcome. Also its hard to say which symbiote is better bonded, there was a planet of the symbiotes story where it was shown that Brock got fuced with the symbiotes, they became one. That imo explains why Brock still has reaminings of the symbiote in him. He used to talk to him even after it left to Gargan. Also Anti-Venom didn't come out of nowhere, its still the same symbiote.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterI can only think of one time when such plot device was used, but neither of the symbiotes were at their 100% at the time, but that's not the only example. There were 2 fights in "trial", one in "Venom vs Carnage" and "triumphant" with Venom always winning 1 on1 without any PIS or help, although "triumphant" wasnt really a fight tbf. Other than Carnage's first appearance he was never shown to be superior to Brock, that's why I tend to believe Venom can beat him the solid majority. But I see what you mean, Carnage is more of a savage beast while Venom tries to fight smart most of them time, but usually it still goes down to him using his fists alone to win in a fight.
Carnage's was bonded in his bloodstream though. Most fights I recall between the two had a plot device used to assist Venom. I'm just saying I don't think Venom would do well against Carnage straight up in the same mentality, like Spiderman wouldn't do as well that way against Venom, they'd have to be crafty. Now if Carnage is like "Go away Brock" then yea he'll get some hits on him... full powered it seems like that isn't the case.
But yea Sam, I'd say that straight up probably isn't best for Venom to do.
Originally posted by Ptr_GrifinYea he ran him into some generators when he was weakened from a blast. And Spiderman and Black Cat were there as well.
I'd pull for Venom as well. He did win most of the fights and pretty much ended the original Carnage. While Carnage was stronger and nastier at first, I think Venom just surpassed him. He did rip the original Carnage symbiote off of Cletus and ate it, so it should still be with the Venom symbiote.
It's been stated in some bio like 20 years ago and repeated by 10000 memebers of KMC forum, doesnt change the fact that Venom beat Carnage almost every time they fought. Carnage himself aknowledges that Brock is better than him and is scared of him.
Also Gargan as Venom sucks ass and is NOWHERE near Brock. Seriosuly Brock as Venom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gargan as Venom.
Originally posted by SamZEDgargan's stats are better.
It's been stated in some bio like 20 years ago and repeated by 10000 memebers of KMC forum, doesnt change the fact that Venom beat Carnage almost every time they fought. Carnage himself aknowledges that Brock is better than him and is scared of him.
Also Gargan as Venom sucks ass and is NOWHERE near Brock. Seriosuly Brock as Venom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gargan as Venom.
Originally posted by namorsubbyBios cant be trusted. Gargan gets owned so often it stopped being funny and became sad, then it became funny again because he just wont stop getting his ass kicked. Spider-man beat him with a few tons of bricks! He was never able to defeat Brock without outside help, prep or plot device. NEVER. And Brock was around a lot longer than Gargan, he held his own against She-Hulk, Juggernaut, Hulk and many others. Whil Gargan had a special DEVICE to defeat Namor and even then couldnt even put up a fight.
gargan's stats are better.
Originally posted by SamZED
Bios cant be trusted. Gargan gets owned so often it stopped being funny and became sad, then it became funny again because he just wont stop getting his ass kicked. Spider-man beat him with a few tons of bricks! He was never able to defeat Brock without outside help, prep or plot device. NEVER. And Brock was around a lot longer than Gargan, he held his own against She-Hulk, Juggernaut, Hulk and many others. Whil Gargan had a special DEVICE to defeat Namor and even then couldnt even put up a fight.
Did you see what Clint did to him after he bit his arm? Hilarious.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterThat's true, Venom admitted that Carnage is stronger than him, but that was when they first met and Brock barely had the chance to fight him, Brock later said that he's better than Carnage in every way and Carnage didn't try to argue that. I'll search for the scans.
I'll have to look that up, don't remember that though. I do remember Venom admitting Carnage was stronger and faster than him, and needing the assistance to take him out.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWlol yeah but I concider that i high durability showing for Gargan, Clint is a beast these days!😄
Did you see what Clint did to him after he bit his arm? Hilarious.