Ultimate Heavyweights

Originally posted by Ecob16

Arachnoidfreak: Spawns awesome, who is Manowar? also any more symbiotes in marvel universe?

soz im very curious only recently got into the marvel universe.

sorry it took so long for me to respond, here is a tiny summary of the Symbiote family tree

Venom
((the current Venom apparently can split into a new creature, kind of like mitosis))
Carnage
((who is about ready to have a offspring that should be much more powerfull than Venom and Carnage))

the five "children" Venom spawned. all of the host's except Donna who had the Yellow/Red Symbiote have died.

the deceaesed host's suit's joined together and created Hybrid who has also been killed

I'am a major Hulky fan,but I have to say that Juggernaut did infact ambush the hulk and knock him unconcious. So I think that Hulk could be choked out by Juggy in the wrong situation. Magic outclasses, organic-superhuman strength in my opinion. Not to say that Hulk would be beaten easily, he never is, although Juggernaut's powers just allow him to cheat a little bit thats all. The Extent of his magic has not been defined, although Onslaught knocked him into a coma and almost killed him. Either way it's interesting to think about and discuss. Guess thats why The Hulk and Juggernaut haven't met to often, they need to be rematched.

oh MNA! what did Hybrid look like?

imagine it's red. Hybrid was almost as cool lookin as lasher

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=artguy.safeshopper.com/images/o19py9r.jpg&imgrefurl=http://artguy.safeshopper.com/12/cat12.htm%3F292&h=151&w=100&sz=5&tbnid=x0zlrwa3Fv8J:&tbnh=89&tbnw=58&start=5&prev=/images%3Fq%3DHybrid%2BVenom%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8

Hulk would kill Juggernaut now, and contrary to what others have said about Juggernaut, he is NOT immortal, is NOT as strong as the Hulk, is NOT invulnerable, has NO healing factor, and CAN be stopped.

It has been said that nothing on **earth** can stop him fully. Of course beings exist outside of earth.

That being said, a solid case most certainly can be made for Juggernaut defeating The Hulk, and vice versa.

Never... Your the one to think before you speak... But... on this one you left out a bit, PAL. If were talking about the current forms, the form where Juggernaut punches so hard he can punch through dimensions, the juggernaut that can summon a forcefield around him, and the juggernaut who is resistant to everything BUT psionics, and now very limited psionics. Juggernaut IS TO IMMORTAL, but if you beat him down enough, eventually the crystal will stop its discharge and put him back into Cain. Juggernaut IS fulley capable of beating down the hulk if he wanted too, if he summoned his forcefield which is resistant to EVERYTHING in the new comics. And the fact he can punch so hard now it breaks dimensions, the hulk would be in for one brutal beating!

Juggernaut is not immortal. The Crystal can provide him food, oxygen, water, but it does NOT prevent him from aging.

Show me one Marvel profile that says he is immortal. You will not find one. Funny thing is the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe X-Men 2004 guide says nothing about him being immortal or invulnerable because...well, he isn't. Have it right here in my hand.

Not sure how old you are SuperNova, but you must not know much about physics. How strong is a "dimensional barrier," Nova? How strong does one have to be to "break through a dimensional barrier?" It is not SOLID, it is merely a nexus of sorts. How can you measure strength against something that is not solid? That is like saying "well Juggernaut punched through the Pacific Ocean!!!111" Whoop de doo, he punched through WATER. FLASH can VIBRATE through dimensions. Think Flash is as strong as The Hulk? Hell no. Juggernaut punching through a dimensional barrier means nothing.

If you know anything about space, you know the earth does not merely rotate, it ROLLS around the sun. Juggernaut punched through that which "supports" earth - gases, molecules, atoms. Iron Man could do it, Hulk can do it, Gladiator can do it, Superman Prime punched through TIME. Hello?

Forcefield smorcefield, it does not keep out everything. Ever heard of LIGHT? If he can SEE, light penetrates the forcefield. *sigh*

Hulk has the best healing factor in the entire Marvel Universe, Juggernaut has none whatsoever...so who beats whom?

yep