Goku and Vegeta or Marvel and DC

In GT Goku absorbed the Dragon Balls, it's been estimated that his power was at 1 billion could that be beaten

Originally posted by Lord Ryugen
In GT Goku absorbed the Dragon Balls, it's been estimated that his power was at 1 billion could that be beaten

Been estimated by whom? Some fan?

It's a completely meaningless question, because DC and Marvel don't have power levels, but less, it could be beaten. Haven't you been listening? You're sending him up against people like Lucifer and the Living Tribunal; do you have any idea how powerful those characters are?

I know that Goku can't win against THOSE characters but I am trying to give him and Vegeta a chance against characters like Superman. And believe or not power level does matter since it determines how powerful Goku and Vegeta are, and if Goku with the Dragon Balls (who could concevibly grant wishes) fused with a brute wave powered Vegeta I think you'll find that the resulting Gogeta would take out a lot of heroes before he got taken down

U have japanese power levels and u have Americanized power levels, the first is delt in numbers up to 1 mil i think and the other up to ridiculous numbers. Many ppl translated these in many ways.

Hey stop with the estimation allready, they can't win against 2 comic universes.

I know that Goku and Vegeta can't win I explained that. But at the same time I don't appreciate this idea that they'll be crushed by any one. Belive it or not Goku and Vegeta could crush a lot of heroes. It's just then they reach the stupidly overpowered things like Paralax, Spectre, Thanos and Phoenix that they die a cruel and unusual death

If you are including Goku and Vegeta then you have to include them at their most powerful forms if they are to have a fair chance. Furthermore Lord Ryugen has specified already that at the end of Dragonball GT Goku absorbed the dragonballs, now hmmm let me think, what do the dragonballs do? they grant anything- this includes unlimited power, speed, strength, agility. He is basically a god so he himself would take apart Marvel and DC without breaking a sweat.

P.S. Vegeta would die unless he fused with Goku using the Potarra earings, which means it would be Vegetto with the dragonballs fused into him.

Well I wouldn't include Gt in this man. They changed lots of things in Gt, and that includes the destructive powers of Goku. Goku spends half of GT series being a kid. Goku and Vegeta didn't just fuse with the Potarra earings, they also did it in the after world fusing with that stupid dance, just like Goten and Trunks. They battled a being called Janeba I think.
Ryugen I didn't say that they couldn't own some of the heroes, see my previous posts. The thing is that it always comes down to the discussion how the 2 punly sayans would get eaten by Apocalypse or X-man or whatever.

The thing about the fusion with the dragonballs in GT is a bunch of BS, I hated that ending and I still do. I had a big question mark over my head when that happend.

Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z

now hmmm let me think, what do the dragonballs do? they grant anything- this includes unlimited power, speed, strength, agility. He is basically a god so he himself would take apart Marvel and DC without breaking a sweat.

The dragonballs couldn't even kill two weak (compared to the power levels we're talking about) Saiyans. They're overrated. And we know how powerful the "gods" in DBZ are, right? Considerably weaker than Goku and Vegeta.

Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
If you are including Goku and Vegeta then you have to include them at their most powerful forms if they are to have a fair chance. Furthermore Lord Ryugen has specified already that at the end of Dragonball GT Goku absorbed the dragonballs, now hmmm let me think, what do the dragonballs do? they grant anything- this includes unlimited power, speed, strength, agility. He is basically a god so he himself would take apart Marvel and DC without breaking a sweat.

P.S. Vegeta would die unless he fused with Goku using the Potarra earings, which means it would be Vegetto with the dragonballs fused into him.

Does it now? Mind posting anything from a website that backs up your claim?

Besides, this is still nothing. Far, far, far, more characters in DC and Marvel that would still annihilate Goku and Vegeta.

did anybody read the FACTS i posted? Superman alone can defeate Goku at most level's and Superman prime would drop Gogeta at any level

Originally posted by VENOMfan
did anybody read the FACTS i posted?

Yes. It was well-done. My only comment is to as why you think that Superman would have a normal human ki, since he isn't even human.

well, truthfuly i didnt write those facts i found that argument. but realy the Z fighter's are the only ones who fight using Ki energy, I cant think of any Marvel or DC character's who use that energy scale.
it's quite hard to compare the two being from two totaly differnt universes. and Im pretty sure if both were fighting at there most powerfull Superman Prime's energy reserves would be somwhat around Gogeta's Ki reserve's

Nah, wayyy more. This guy like lived in the sun for thousands of years, and lived into the 853rd Century, the amount of solar reserves would be off the scale.

Superman prime can even resist the Green K can't he?

Im not sure about that but were is Goku gonna get Kryptonite? but I belive he would trash DBZ character's, some think Buu would stop him. but with the Green Lantern ring's SP would evaporate Buu

forget about destroying universes, just go hand-to-hand combat with a few power blasts or kami hami waves or something. id pit thanos and odin against goku and geta.

another dumb question? i dont know nothing bout green lantarn, what does he do?

and bout the Ki, i think Goku would sens SM, Ki is something that is in every living creature. from the weakest child to the biggest whatever. The bigger your Ki the stronger u are, and the easier it is to sense.
So Goku would sense SM i think, but i dont think it matters much.
Things like droids dont live so they dont have any KI

(strange that u ppl call it Ki, here it is just called puissance (power))

Originally posted by Deus_ex_Machina
another dumb question? i dont know nothing bout green lantarn, what does he do?

Whatever he wants to, basically. He uses a powerful weapon, the Green Lantern Ring, which allows him to create (temperarily) out of its energy anything he can imagine.

Goku and Veg, may not win the entire 2 universes. But, they would surely take out tons of them.

Originally posted by Gregory
Whatever he wants to, basically. He uses a powerful weapon, the Green Lantern Ring, which allows him to create (temperarily) out of its energy anything he can imagine.

cool thx