War sucks

Originally posted by SuperSayinGoku
Guys Im russian you know about the story that the world war 2 will never be beaten if there would be no america?? WELL GUESS WHAT ITS A BIG FAT LIE WHAT HAPPEND IS AFTER JAPAN ATTACKED AMERICA AMERICA FOUGHT A LITTLE WAR WITH JAPAN AND AFTER THAT IT JUST SAT THERE AND DIDNT HELP THE RUSSIANS BUT WHEN THE RUSSIANS WERE UNDER BERLIN THEY WERE AFRAID THE RUSSIANS WOULD TAKE OVER GERMANS AND TAKE OVER EUROPE SO THEY STARTED TO BUILD FORTS AND BARRACKS THERE LOOKING LIKE THEY WERE FIGHTING THE WAR BUT WHEN THEY WERE DONE RUSSIANS DEFEATED GERMANY BUT THE AMERICANS MADE A NECLUER BOMB WHICH THEY SENDED IT TO JAPAN AND KILLED THOUSAND OF INNICENT PEAPLE EVEN THOUGHT JAPAN SURRENDERED IT WOULDVE SURRENDERED ANYWAY BECAUSE THERE MAIN ALLY GERMANY WAS DESTROYED NOW YOU KNOW THE TRUTH GOOD.

no, the jappenesse people didnt surrender even after the first bomb, and you're telling me they surrendered before that?

Originally posted by Tptmanno1
thank you Jedi.
Hmm. I'd like to see your reasonings about Iraq. Might be a nice discussion/debate!

😆 well...people usually don't like my reasonings about Iraq...too political/religious...

...but as i said i would remark on why Iraq is not another Vietnam, i will...When we entered Vietnam, there was a policy of containment in effect by America to prevent the spread of Communism. We entered the 'civil war' to stop the spread of communism. But we stayed for the wrong reasons. We made bad choices that cost many American lives for useless reasons. For instance, we did not actively participate. What i mean by this is, we did not try to aggresively follow the North Vietnamese into the North, but rather just sat around. If we had attacked, and moved forward, we would have had a much better chance at actually ending the war, much, much earlier than when we pulled out.

Also, the purpose behind the war in Iraq was to remove Saddam Hussein, a violent dictator, from power. It was not for oil, it was not to kill the man that tried to kill daddy, etc. If you want to know why France, Russia, Germany, did not enter the war, then oil is the reason. All three of those countries had agreements with Saddam hussein that would enable them to obtain oil for food, etc. when the UN bans were lifted. This is why those countries were actively against a coalition attacking and removing Saddam Hussein from power. It was in their best interests that Saddam stay in power.

Also, we stayed in Vietnam for political reasons, and left us in a war that lasted over a decade and cost countless American lives. Bush has made it clear that we will not be in Iraq for an indefinite period of time. He has even said that we will withdraw from Iraq if asked to, and there is the June 30th deadline. It will not last for years, it has lasted and will last, for 16 months. Despite the fact that we have not found WMDs (even though we know they had them at one time or another) we accomplished the mission of removing Saddam Hussein, and securing Democracy in a region that is not very democratic, to say the least.

well, that is a very informal, and very rough idea of why Iraq is not Vietnam...tptmanno, anything to add?

All i have to say is that until we lose 100+ a day its not vietnam, we have truly never seen war... these casualty counts a laughable compared to prior engagements, not that they are not horrible. Our own revolution lasted 8 years mind you.