Hawkman vs Archangel vs Swift

Started by the assassin2 pages

what about falcon? why isn't he icluded in this bird men brawl? i think he would win if he were in!

for those of u who don't know falcon, this si him:

As much as I am a fan of marvel over DC, I have to give this one to the hawkman hands down.

i still to this day think falcon has a crappy costume.

Falcon's new costume looks better, his previous armor one was just stupid and bulky.

I go with ArchAngel. With metal wings he can attack from a distance with poisoned flechettes. Or with his energy wings he has an energy projectile from them which hit the soul.

His current incarnation, he's back to caucasian with feathered wings, but because it just makes sense in Chuck Austen's mind, he also has a healing factor now. Hawkman is a better fighter and weapon user, but Angel has had vast amounts of training and is no pushover either, that coupled with his healing factor and my bias towards Marvel, I vote Angel.

Hawkman can fly speed of sound. I dont know about Archangel...

Hawkmans wings:
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Hawkman's signature piece of equipment, asides from the mace he usually carries, has to be the winged harness that gives him the ability to fly. At maximum speeds, Hawkman is able to break the sound barrier. Made out of Nth Metal, the harness does more than just let Hawkman fly. The massive wings that are part of the harness can both help propel him, or be used in combat, as they are not necessary to maintain flight and speeds.

The wings also can be used as shields that will stop most weapons known to humans from seriously harming Carter. From example, they would stop an explosion from killing Carter albeit the blast would still send Carter flying back. Used as weapons, the wings can create wind gales that would send a normal human through the air. Finally, the wings are able to slash through materials with the consistency of flesh and wood.

The Nth Metal also provides Carter with protection against the G forces involved in the speeds he tends to fly at. They provide Carter with a 'comfortable' environmental aura that regulates the temperature immediately surrounding him, so that he's able to operate in the cold or do things like flying through snow.

The next property of the Nth Metal gives those that have been under constant exposure to it, in the range of years, a very limited self-healing ability. We are not talking regenerative powers here. Rather, it simply makes Hawkman much harder to kill, helping to keep him from crossing that threshold even under the most severe of injuries and it speeds his natural healing ability. While it may take someone to heal a cut a week or so, for example, the same cut would take Carter just a few days to heal.

Finally, the Nth Metal enhances Hawkman's lifting strength to what has been described as 'the strength of twenty men'. The way it actually works is that the Nth Metal's anti-gravity properties help negate a good chunk of the weight of whatever the man is trying to carry. He's been known to slow down the descent of a small plane, for example, push away a car without much of an effort or carry villains whose weight would be too much for a normal human to carry.

There are in fact many other properties that the Nth Metal has that Hawkman hasn't discovered.

Oh, and I think that Hawkman is more skilled in weapons...

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Carter is a weapon master. His training as a warrior all across time has made him into an expert when it comes to handling weapons, especially melee weapons of ancient origin. Put a mace in his hands, and he will obliterate most of his opponents. In fact, in the mace being his weapon of choice, he's become quite adept at quickly producing it from wherever it might be attached to his body armor or suit, a speed draw trick if you will. With those kinds of weapons he would be as deadly as Lady Shiva. The man has enough training that he can handle most melee weapons, modern or improvised in a deadly manner still, though. When it comes to throwing weapons Carter is also quite skilled, way beyond what most people would be at. Give him a throwing axe and he'll make things happen.

Even though Katar Hol was well versed on the use of firearms, Carter prefers to take things close and personal and though he doesn't rely on the use of firearms when it comes to arming himself.

These things are from Brave and The Bold, by the way....

And he is no slouch in flying also...

Flying is pretty much Hawkman's thing. He knows how to push himself to achieve speeds that go beyond the sound barrier and furthermore, he knows how to keep himself under control as to be able to operate at those speeds. Years and years of training along with accumulated knowledge from Katar Hol provided Hawkman with a level of skill when it comes to piloting his own body that is hard to rival. Even so, the man is still under the likes of Superman and Black Adam when it comes to this.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Hawkman could kill Swift with his mace, deflect Archangels Soulsword wit his shield and finish him with his many weapons and better fighting skills. Hawkman wins.

Hrm, I would not underestimate Archangel's fighting skills (fought Wolverine to a standstill and we ALL know that "Wolverine is the best at what he does"😉...and I thought the scenario stated that they were in a birdcage, so does Hawkman get to carry his weapons with him or not? Or simply use "things laying around to smack each other with?"

Is flying at the speed of sound an advantage in a huge birdcage? I don't think so.

Disagree that Hawkman would be as deadly as Lady Shiva. Hell, LS is the most dangerous martial artist in the entire DCU. Hawkman is not even on par with Karate Kid WITH his weapons.

Yeah, but I believe that Hawkman could fight Wolverine at standstill also...in where issue Archangel fought Wolverine?

Note it says: With those kinds of weapons. I dont say that he would beat Lady Shiva with those weapons, but given the decades of knowledge...he has some skills. You know that the Khufu soul of Hawk reincarnates...:
From DC comics website:

Hawkman has lived a thousand lives, and in each one has waged a battle against evil. His soul began its journey in Ancient Egypt as Prince Khufu of the 15th Dynasty.

Oh, sorry, I misunderstood that Hawkman retains knowledge of those decades...sorry...but they are pretty much even...

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Yeah, but I believe that Hawkman could fight Wolverine at standstill also...in where issue Archangel fought Wolverine?

HMMM, you think Hawkman could stalemate Wolverine in a fight? With or without weapons?

Archangel fought Wolverine when Jim Lee was pencilling them. They were in Genosha and Cameron Hodge was in the issue. Ewww, PLEASE don't make me go up and look for the issue. Lemme see if I can find it on the web first...

I THINK it was in this issue...but since I cannot find a synopsis, I will go up in the attic. *sigh*

edit: Yep, that's it. Synopsis follows:

"After the Magistrates left with Betsy, Cameron Hodge announces a “show“. >>>>He has brought Archangel and Wolverine into another place called “the Box“. There the two mutants necks are connected by a leash so that they can’t get too far away from each other. Hodge knows of the hatred between the two men, and since Archangel’s transformation he had problems controlling his sharp wings; now with his powers blocked he has even less control and not before long a fight starts : claws and berserker rage against sharp wings throwing metal blades. Hodge enjoys the fight which is broadcasted onto video screens inside the prison chamber.<<<"

Yes, but I thought that this fight is with current Angel...

No, we said it was the Archangel with the metal wings that Apokalips gave him.

doesnt the current archangel have a healing factor and a mystic sword if so then he takes it

Originally posted by cray z 4 sarah
doesnt the current archangel have a healing factor and a mystic sword if so then he takes it

Yes but this isn't about current archangel, it's about the past one with the metal wings. Anyways, I think Swift has a chance in this. She can dissolve her wings, making herself look harmless while the two big bad metal winged men go at it with whatever they find lying around the cage. When one man takes the other out, she sprouts her talons that can shear through armor alloy and behead them.

does anyone have a bio or image of swift

I have two links, actually.

http://authority.herochronicle.com/characters/swift.htm

http://www.internationalhero.co.uk/s/swift.htm

thx