Best NBA player of all time?

Originally posted by BobbyD
The Bulls were playing against the Knicks and knocking them out all the time. What's the difference? They also knocked off the Shaq-led Magic. The key to the Bulls' success in defending against a big name center was to use all of their centers' 18 fouls at their disposal and beat this person into submission, while Jordan & Pip darted all over the floor. It would have been no different. At the end of the day Pip and Clyde maybe wash each other out...even then Pip still had the advantage, defensively. But MJ would have 40 and The Dream would have 25-that's the problem. The rest of both teams would wash out. It makes no difference, seriously.

Hakeem during that time was better than both Shaq or Ewing.

Hakeem took Shaq to school during the finals. Am I expected to believe Luc Longly or some other Bulls hack center could do a better job than the Diesel? I don't think so.

I don't know if Houston would've beaten a Jordan lead Bulls. But they would've been there toughest opponent. One of the best centers ever, Clyde still killing it, Kenny as the third option, and two of the more CLUTCH performers in the league in Cassel and Horry. They would've given the Bulls problems alright.

Agreed. I don't think they would have won, but would have put up a better fight. Then again, the Rockets were only a 6th seeded team in 95. They barely got through the Suns, which I'm quite sure the Bulls would have beaten again as well (but even easier).

Jordan or Bird

hey bakerboy...u have many spelling errors on the names of the top 10 players in history in ur opinion...for one, erving is spelled earving.

thats funny coming from 'mr paragraph'

Originally posted by darth_royke
thats funny coming from 'mr paragraph'

??? thats funny coming from mr. paragraph?? what do paragraphs have to do with spelling errors?? lol. ur the one thats funny.

I was about to say something but f*ck it. This says it all ---> 🙄

😆 The fun never ends.

1. Jordan
2. Wilt
3. Shaq. (I'm surprised he's not on the poll).

If I was doing an all-time fantasy draft, I'd draft Shaq before Magic, Bird, J, etc.

I cant believe you guys are forgetting Bill Russell.

One could argue that without Phil Jackson, Jordan and the Bulls wouldnt have won their string of championships.

Before Bill Russell came to the Celtics, the team has ZERO championships even with superstars like Bob Cousy and a Hall of Fame coach like Red Auerbach.

When Russell came onboard, the team won 11 championships in 13 years and went to the Finals 12x. Russell is the ONLY CELTIC present in all those 11 championships.

Bob Cousy retired, yet the Celtics still won championships.

Red Auerbach retired, yet the Celtics still win back to back championships with Russell as coach. I'd like to see Jordan or Wilt coach/inspire their team to victory.

Plus, if you look back to Russell's basketball college record, you could see that his string of success in the NBA is just a mere continuation from his success in the NCAA.

Back to back NCAA championship, 55 straight victories, heck, Russell's USF Dons are ranked as one of the best (at the top 3) if not the BEST NCAA team of all time.

Wilt on his college days was a flop (Jordan's good though).

He's not also a defensive-only player, check his college stats. Russell focused on the defensive and rebounding aspect of the game because thats what the Celtics needed him to do. Thats his role and he played it to perfection.

That would make him the greatest winner, but in basketball skills alone Jordan is better imo. He could play both side of the ball to an elite level, where Russell as dominant as he was on defense was not a great offensive player (adequate yes, but not great). I have alot of respect for what Russell accomplished in his career, that type of dominance by a team will probably never be duplicated. But this is about the best basketball player, that to me is Jordan.

Greatest winner, greatest roleplayer . . . . they keep throwing these token titles at Russell but never the top prize . . . .

(well actually, i think they did name him the greatest NBA player in the 25th anniversary of the NBA.)

The thing is Russell could have been a scoring threat for the Celtics but he deferred not to in favor of the team.

He has one of the highest shooting percentage on the NBA when he was playing but the team wasnt set up to run plays for a dominant scoring big man. Russell has a decent scoring aversage but the weight of the scoring was carried by the Celtic guards and their (patented) fast break play.

Its like knocking Jordan for not having big rebounding numbers.

Russell was not only the top defender for his team during his college years but he was also the top scorer averaging 25+ points a game.

A friend of mine (Knicks fan) gave me this link:

http://www.angelfire.com/ks2/airjudden/jordan.htm

OK so admittedly this site helps me in my case as to why Bill Russell should be the greatest but damn . . . . I like Michael and this site simply well, to say the least makes me feel uncomfortable 🙁 .

I voted Abdul Jabaar, because of the amount of records he finished with and the fact that he is just so great!

Originally posted by Myth
The Shaq-led Magic were nothing compared to the 94 and 95 Rockets though. Rockets beat them just like the Bulls did so that comparison doesn't really work that well. However, I do agree that the Bulls probably would have beat them.

Who did the "Shaq-led" Magic beat in the semis in their run to the finals...MJ and his bulls...do the research before you reply.
And once again i say... before Clyde, Hakeem was at least 5 of every 6 against MJ.. no question.

Originally posted by flabmaster
Who did the "Shaq-led" Magic beat in the semis in their run to the finals...MJ and his bulls...do the research before you reply.

Honestly, how ignorant do you think I am? I was referring to 1996 when the Bulls beat the Magic 4-0. 1995 was a different story because that Jordan was the rusty Jordan. You know, the Jordan that only played 17 season games after taking over a year and a half off of basketball. So the in-tune Bulls beat the Shaq-led Magic 4-0 just like the Rockets beat the same team a year ealier 4-0.

Also for the record, the Rockets beat the 57-25 Magic while the Bulls with a practiced up Jordan beat the 60-22 Magic (just in case you were going to say the Magic wasn't as good that year).

Btw, I'm having trouble finding Jordan's Bulls vs Olajuwon's Rocket's record. That does sound intriguing and I'd like to see what it is for myself. Any idea where I could see the data on that?

Originally posted by flabmaster
Hakeem's Rockets were like 25-6 against the bulls, just a bit of trouble.

Originally posted by flabmaster
do the research before you reply.
And once again i say... before Clyde, Hakeem was at least 5 of every 6 against MJ.. no question

Speaking of doing research....

Do you like to exaggerate a bit? [URL=http://]http://www.clutchfans.net/opponent_history.cfm?TeamID=24 [/URL]
As you'll see, you are right about the Rockets doing well against the (Jordan-led) Bulls before Drexler. Not quite 5 of every 6, but 14-6 isn't bad. However, why is it that you get to discredit the Bulls in their prime from the 95-96 season through 98? In that time the Bulls were 5-1 against the Rockets (note: in the 17 games Jordan played in the 1994-95 season, the teams did not meet). Making a grand total of 15-11 Rockets. Not quite as dominating as your false 25-6 record would imply (btw, I did not go through the effort to find out which games one of the two sat out, but I'm assuming both played in most of those and if not, your numbers would still be way off).

As you'll see, I'm not giving opinion here, just correcting your majorly wrong numbers. So next time be careful who you tell to do their research.

Bravo my friend. 😎

Michael Jordan. he was with the bulls for almost every national title, not only that, but has more MVP's than almost any Pro player still playing.

the best of all time was and still is larry bird *****