Re: Please Help!?!?
Originally posted by mryoung33
I have some questions I hope someone will help me with the answers.(1) Where was the Evil wizard in ROTK? Did he die? I don't remember ever seeing him or hearing about him.
(2) Why did Frodo leave the Shire??
(3) Where did he go??Thanks in advance!!
AE explained it perfectly
but in regards to #1, saruman's death will be diferent in the Extended Edition.
#2 Frodo left the shire...at the begining, to destroy the one ring. Not nessesarily to destroy it then, but to take it to revendell. Only to find that it could not stay there. Frodo then felt that the burden was his and vonunteerd to destroy it into the firey chasm from whence it came.😄
#3Frodo had to go to valinor...he HAD to. "there are some wounds that go to deep" His wound would never realy heal. And he couldn't stay in this world forever.
As much as it pains his friends to see him go, it was what he had to do, it was his destiny. He did what gandalf wanted, he got the ring destroyed, he saved the world...he saved his home...He ensured life would go on and renew itself again. His story will go on in songs and tales forever. A hero's tale such as Frodo's deserves so go on. And so he left. He left this world to go live in peace and happiness, in a world far from here. Where his wounds will not hurt, where his troubles will not bother him, and he possibly will forget all the pain of his former life. A hero, such as him, i think deserves such a life🙂
Originally posted by Storm
*smacks forehead*
*flinches* oooh! that's gotta hurt... 😛
Originally posted by Agent Elrond
Just remember, Frodo will die, but he'll die happy.
um...if i remember correctly and I like to think I do...but the valar decreed or stated or even hinted that no mortal can step into the undying lands...that's why men are forbidden...sooooooo theoritically if Frodo is allowed along with his uncle to enter into Aman, they then become immortal.
And if i think more on it, i think there was a quote or phrase in the silmarillion i may be wrong about this but it may have been written something like: no living thing can know death or die in Aman...but, then, i could be wrong....
*awaits Cynethrth's rebuttal...*
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Originally posted by Fëanor
*awaits Cynethrth's rebuttal...*
😖hifty:
You did remember correctly, it was forbidden for mortals to enter the Blessed Realm of Aman, but the Silmarillion states (in context of the wish of the Númenóreans to get immortality if only they entered Aman) that it's named "Undying Lands" because its inhabitants do not die, but not because it automatically makes one undying / immortal.
The Númenóreans were fools when they thought they could reject their Gift of Ilúvatar just by moving to some other country, even though its peoples may be undying - it has nothing to do with the land itself, it doesn't have any magical powers, nor are the Valar able to decide the fate of Mortals like hobbits are.
True, Mandos gave Beren his life back for some years, but he didn't become immortal. They also gave immortality to Túrin, but only by the will of Ilúvatar they were able to do so.
This phenomenon of seeking for immortality and elvishness also appears in the story of Aelfwíne of England who reaches the shores of the Isle of Tol Eressea next to the coast of Aman - he also remains mortal though he saw the Immortal Lands, but here it is obviously possible for Elves to change the course of the kindred of their brothers.
I remember Tolkien stating somewhere that Bilbo, Frodo and Gimli will indeed die in Aman, though I cannot remember where that was; but they will die in peace there, not amidst death and fading, but end their lives willingly without suffering like it would have been in Middleearth, especially for the two Ringbearers.
No, no immortality for Frodo and Sam, sorry ^^
So far,
Cyn 😛
1- Evil wizard is known as saruman- no he did not die, he was supposed to be in rotk, but jackson thought that having several minutes dedicated to saruman after the helms deep defeat would be silly, as it would give the 'dragging' out the end of helms deep effect. this is why christopher lee said he wasnt going to premiers. it will be in the EE.
in the book he is killed by grima wormtongue in the scouring of the shire. the scouring was not filmed it was seen as an 'anti climax' for a movie. so saruman will die at isengard, his power gone after being cast from the order.
popular belief is grima will push him over the balcony and onto the spiked wheel, brought about by the appearance of a 'leaked' picture.
although they filmed five versions of his death, so this could just be to throw you off the trail.
2. Frodo in the ROTK book gives his full reasons, and a small part of it is in the film. he saved the shire, but not for himself. how can he pick up the shreds of an old life.
although i stick by my beliefs that he left because merry, pippin and sam were getting all the glory and frodo here couldnt handle not being the center of attention with his bluer than blue eyes.
3. frodo left for valinor- the undying lands, to which he was allowed to go for being a ringbearer giving him an amazing honour of being one of the FEW mortals to go there. it is a land inhabited by the elves, and the ainur. later- after the death of rosie cotton- sam left for valinor. as did legolas and gimli- whether gimli made it there, is up for discussion.
Originally posted by Fëanor
which according to Tolkien became england later on in lost tales...
Which is also a reason for the Elves speaking Old English 🙂 as the only Indoeuropean language they know ✅ ...
btw, he often called England Lúthien ("enchantress"😉... Leithian ("release [from bondage]"😉... Luthany... ......... ^^