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I don't like any. As far as hip hop goes, I like Immortal Technique, Jedi Mind Tricks, Mobb Deep, and MF Doom. All underground. One of the reasons I think mainstream is crap is because I don't understand why it's so cool to be a gangster. (well ok I admit it... I like ONE "gangsta" song, the one they play in Office Space that goes "damn it feels good to be a gangster". I can't help it, I love that song.) What is supposed to be so cool about hearing shells hit the pavement and getting shot nine times I simply don't understand. My thoughts are, rap is pretty much just lyrics and beat... Might as well be good, thoughtful lyrics if that's the part of the song that has substance.

yeah, but there ARE mainstream ppl who dont sing bout sex an gettin shot an drugs an all that...theyre the 1ns who id espect u guys 2 like coz theyre real good!

Yeah, but I honestly have yet to see a mainstream RAPPER who never says "gangster" or "pimp" at all.

really?? um, have u ever heard of mario winans?? hm he might actually sing r&b.....ill say some ppl....
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craig david
actually theyre r&b arent they...well....okies icant think of any ppl off the top of my head that dont say them at ALL!!!! but lots of hip hop ppl have some songs that dont
ie puff daddy, r kelly, 2pac, (black eyed peas....theyre considered mainstrein rappers arnt they?? the black guy rapps...he dont say it do he??) tha guy in city high dont...donell jones.....fabolous....ppl have their songs (im not gon name any more...but thats a few..an i don think donell jones says gansta or anytin...but is he a rapper or r&ber??)

OH MY ****IN GOD!!!

Eminem the greatest WHITE RAPPER???? MY ASS!!!!

i know over 100!!! better white rappers. try listenin to THESE GUYZ and you forget all about eminem.
i use to think he was the best white rapper too. but dig deep and search. dont just look at what tv and radio has to offer. dig deep!!!

Eyedea
Aesop Rock
Diabolic
Slug (half black)
Sage Francis
Vinnie Paz (also known as Ikon the Hologram)
El-P

and the list goes on

just search these guyz.

im done.

what bout so solid crew, they got white rappers!!!! OMG!!! SO SOLID CREW!!! darth, so solid crew have NEVER mentioned gangsta or anythin in their songs!!!

Darth im listenin to Immortal Technique now! 😂 the guy is a genius.

It's not so much the fact that they talk about this stuff that bothers me... It's the fact that nobody, even the people who run the radio stations and MTV, seem to understand what a gangster is. They play this crap, but they don't play Marilyn Manson, because he's not a rapper and isn't allowed to talk about sex and drugs. Also, it's not just sex and violence, it's all this stuff about money and fancy cars and nice watches... I don't get it, what's supposed to be so cool about being a pimp.

Anyways, the people you mentioned...
From Puff Daddy's "Real Ni**as":

"Yeah, yeah, yeah
I tote gats wit my nig*a, clap wit my nig*a
Break bread and then break backs wit my nig*a
Jack wit my nig*a, cock the latch wit my nig*a
Now how you gon' act wit my nig*a?
Just remember there's a gun to your dome
And I will lick shots and run through your home
Or better yet I put your son to the chrome
Turn the music up and unplug the phone
I will kill him, read my lips
You too, motherf*cker if I don't see no bricks
See, I flips when I don't see no chips
Yeah, nig*a, I know you in pain, I don't care nig*a
I want the stash, keys, hash, weed, G's motherf*cker, freeze
C*ck sucker, you better bring the things out
Before I blow your motherf*cker frame out
Nig*a what"

And as for Tupac, he was a gangster... "Live by the gun, die by the gun", don't tell me that's not gangsta...

From R Kelly's "Bump N Grind"

"I don't see nothing wrong with a little bump and grind

See I know just what you want and I know just what you need girl
So baby bring your body to me (bring your body here)
I'm not fooling around with you baby
My love is true (with you) with you is where I want to be, girl see
I need someone someone like me to satisfy your every needs"

I've never heard of Donnel Jones, and never listened to the Black Eyed Peas. They're mainstream, but like I said I've never heard their music. So I guess my point about all this is... If they censor "muthaf*cka", why don't they censor the whole damn song? Don't know if you've ever heard of Marilyn Manson, but he's kind of a scary shock rocker whose goal in saying all the satanic stuff is to point out exactly what I'm talking about. It's his way of saying "screw you" to popular culture. Hard to explain really...

Originally posted by HockeyHorror
Darth im listenin to Immortal Technique now! 😂 the guy is a genius.

that's cool 😎 he is a genius ain't he 😎

i might be wrong by saying this but cant u kinda consider

Immortal Technique and Rage Against The Machine same? but different genres?

my friend is huge RATM fan and he tells me their music is pretty much on same topic. if it is ill check out some of their stuff.

Yeah, they're very much the same. RATM talk about society a lot, and I think they consider themselves commies...

"Guerrilla Radio"

Transmission third world war third round
A decade of the weapon of sound above ground
No shelter if youre looking for shade
I lick shots at the brutal charade
As the polls close like a casket
On truth devoured
Silent play in the shadow of power
A spectacle monopolized
The cameras eyes on choice disguised
Was it cast for the mass who burn and toil?
Or for the vultures who thirst for blood and oil?
Yes a spectacle monopolized
They hold the reins, stole your eyes
All the fistagons the bullets and bombs
Who stuff the banks
Who staff the party ranks
More for Gore or the son of a drug lord
None of the above f*ck it cut the cord

Lights out
Guerilla Radio
Turn that shit up (x4)

Contact I highjacked the frequencies
Blockin the beltway
Move on DC
Way past the days of bombin MCs
Sound off Mumia guan be free
Who gottem yo check the federal file
All you pen devils know the trial was vile
Army of pigs try to silence my style
Off em all out that box its my radio dial

Lights out
Guerilla Radio
Turn that shit up (x4)

It has to start somewhere
It has to start sometime
What better place than here
What better time than now

All hell cant stop us now (x6)

"Calm Like a Bomb" (I think I've shown you this one before)

I be walkin god like a dog
My narrative fearless
Word war returns to burn
Like Baldwin home from Paris, Uh
Like steel from a furnace
I was born landless
Yes its tha native son
Born of Zapatas guns
Stroll through the shanties
And tha cities remains
Same bodies buried hungry
But with different last names
The vultures robbin everything
Leave nothing but chains
Pick a point on the globe
Yes tha pictures tha same
Theres a bank, theres a church, a myth and a hearse
A mall and a loan, a child dead at birth
Theres a widow pig parrot
A rebel to tame
A whitehooded judge
A syringe and a vein

And the riot be the rhyme of the unheard

What ya say? What ya say? What ya say? What? (x4)

We're calm like a bomb (Ignite) (x2)

This aint subliminal
Feel the critical mass approach horizon
Tha pulse of the condemned
Sound off Americas demise
Tha anti-myth rhythm rock shocker
Yes I spit fire
Hope lies in the smoldering rubble of empires
Yes back through tha shanties and tha cities remains
Same bodies buried hungry, uh-huh
With different last names, uh-huh
The vultures robbin everyone
Leave nothing but chains
Pick a point here at home
Yes the pictures tha same
Theres a field full of slaves
Some corn and some debt
Theres a ditch full of bodies
Tha check for the rent
Theres a tap, tha phone, tha silence of stone
The numb black screen
That be feelin like home

And the riot be the rhyme of the unheard

What ya say? What ya say? What ya say? What? (x4)

Calm like a bomb (Ignite) (x9)

Theres a mass without roofs
A prison to fill
Theres a countrys soul that reads post no bills
Theres a strike and a line of cops outside of tha mill
Theres a right to obey
And a right to kill

Theres a mass without roofs
Theres a prison to fill
Theres a countrys soul that reads post no bills
Theres a strike and a line of cops outside of tha mill
Cos theres a right to obey
And theres the right to kill

nice lyrics. i like it.

me too 🙂

Yea...

Mainstream 👇
Underground 👆

It's that simple. 😐

My favorite RATM song, the usual political message, but its a stone cold classic 😎

Rage Against The Machine - Bullet In The Head

This time the bullet cold rocked ya
A yellow ribbon instead of a swastika
Nothin' proper about ya propaganda
Fools follow rules when the set commands ya
Said it was blue
When ya blood was read
That's how ya got a bullet blasted through ya head
Blasted through ya head
Blasted through ya head
I give a shout out to the living dead
Who stood and watched as the feds cold centralized
So serene on the screen
You were mesmerised
Cellular phones soundin' a death tone
Corporations cold
Turn ya to stone before ya realise
They load the clip in omnicolour
Said they pack the 9, they fire it at prime time
Sleeping gas, every home was like Alcatraz
And muthaf**kas lost their minds

(Hook)
Just victims of the in-house drive-by
They say jump, you say how high
Just victims of the in-house drive-by
They say jump, you say how high

Run it!

(Hook)

They load the clip in omnicolour
Said they pack the 9, they fire it at prime time
Sleeping gas, every home was like Alcatraz
And muthaf**kas lost their minds

No escape from the mass mind rape
Play it again jack...and then rewind the tape
And then play it again and again and again
Until ya mind is locked in
Believin' all the lies that they're tellin' ya
Buyin' all the products that they're sellin' ya
They say jump and ya say how high
Ya brain-dead
Ya gotta f**kin bullet in ya head

(Hook)

Ya standin' in line
Believin' the lies
Ya bowin' down to the flag
Ya gotta bullet in ya head...

A bullet in ya head (x15)
Ya gotta bullet in ya f**kin head!

But for the ultimate politcal hip-hop, I'd reccommend Dying Nation by Cunninlynguists. Truly awesome.

i dont think some of u are understanding hip hop.

i recommend u see what MC MIKE posted^^^

and Eminem sucks

the fact that Rage is in the discussion of D12 makes me sad. very sad.

it was a different disccusion but still yea it is sad that its on an Eminem thread. 😂

ok here's a freestyle (2 part) for those that believe eminem is greatest white rapper

Eyedea and Slug freestyle on Wake Up Show

Part 1: http://tiger.towson.edu/users/vpirpi1/eyedea_&_slug_freestyle_@_wake_up_Show_part_1.wmv

Part 2: http://tiger.towson.edu/users/vpirpi1/eyedea_&_slug_freestyle_@_wake_up_Show_part_2.wmv

yeah we should just stick to talking about eminem and d12 I dont know how the coversation drifted elsewhere.

Originally posted by HockeyHorror
Sage Francis

hell yeah, thats the shit