Originally posted by finti
matter of opinion
Obviously. Still one of the worst bands I've heard. Noise, nothing more. No rhythm, no beat, no melody, just some guy with a terrible and awkward voice yelling. I guess it fits with the music though, terrible generic music deserves to have one of the worst lead singers out there.
Originally posted by angrygoatboy
okay...the fact of the matter is CoF IS goth metal. there are SO many black metal bands that can prove CoF isn't black metal. Dimmu Borgir is perhaps the most mainstream example of such. that being said, you cannot listen to CoF, KoRn, Slipknot, and Marilyn Manson and parade yourself as a goth. you're basically nothing more than a unreasonably depressed nu metal kid with too much time on your hands, leaving you to turn introspective and become unfoundedly "depressed"(i realize i used the same word in one sentence, so before you try to make me look like a moron for doing so, i figure i might as well say it was intentional)but that may very well just be my 2 cents.
There's no such genre as goth metal. Its just a composite of black/death/industrial metal bands that happen to appeal to 'goths' for whatever reason. Goth rock exists, but its a different thing altogether.
Dimmu Borgir mainstream...in what world?
It doesn't matter what you listen to, 'goths' are just another teenage clique that dress and act a certain way. I bet half of those 12 year old kids who wear black eye-liner and dog collars and what not go home at night and listen to Britney Spears. Its all just image.
The term nu metal kid is pathetic. I listen to Sepultura, Killswitch Engage, Dark Throne and Anotherdeadsupermodel, but I also listen to Deftones, Sevendust, Static X, Mudvayne and Korn. I'm neither depressed nor a kid. It pisses me off how people generalise nu metal as a watered down version of the genre. Its actually one of the most creative and diverse sub-genres there is.
Sorry if that sounded rude.
There's no such genre as goth metal. Its just a composite of black/death/industrial metal bands that happen to appeal to 'goths' for whatever reason. Goth rock exists, but its a different thing altogether.good call man.
Dimmu Borgir mainstream...in what world?If I were to label them after their latest album I would say progressive neo black metal, dont know if the genre exist but thats what they are to me. They dare to experiment on a wide scale with black, death, thrash, gothic/industrial, and symphonic metal.
It means your a disillusioned teenager who loves the idea of being in a depressive rut, but wants to be in more of a hardcore depressive rut than all other teenagers, and so they turn this depression into a fashion statement by dressing up like a drunk color-blind clown and looking moody all the time. It really has nothing to do with music.
blah...goth metal generally is considered a sub genre of rock. the thing is, there are several different ranges of goth metal. evanesence is a goth metal band that is quite nu metal. CoF is a goth metal band that some label black metal(including CoF...but that doesn't make it true).
another thing, yes Dimmu Borgir IS very mainstream, if we're talking black metal. there are some very underground black metal acts most have never heard of. Necrophagia(sucks...), Beyond the Sixth Seal, etc. most of it's Eurpoean.
and lumping Korn and Slipknot in the same category just happens to come from their fan base. a bunch of fat, smelly nu metal kids, mostly. i, too, actually like Slipknot, but the fact remains, their fan base is much less than intellectual.
hmm...what else have i left out...blah, i can't think...i'm not trying to sound like an elitist here. i actually like CoF, generally hate goth metal, as i also dislike a good 75% of black metal bands. it just seems a lot of statements no here are rather uninformed.
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lol thats a joke gothic is of who you are not what every one else wants you to be i use to lissen to rock and from hard rock i got into death metal not because of the screaming u got to go behind that u got to take every thing in the music togather u cant pin point black metal like u go with korn u got to take every thing being played and lissen to it as one
i love cradle of filth but i dont only lissen to them i also love pink floyd and marylon manson like music were thier is a meaning behind the words like a darker meaning.
ya im gothic but i dont paint my face i dont have really long hair and i dont hate preps every one thinks gothic people hate every one who is rich and is a prep to tell u the truth i use to wear abercrombie and fitch and american eagle and right now im dateing a girl who does you can go around labeling all goths under one name. every one has thier own reasons for doing it. its not like one hidden message.
if ur thinking we do it because were poor thats totaly wrong my parents probably onw 1/4 if not half of my town of 5 thousand people and they give 10 thousand people jobs...
by the way those clothing compannys abercrombie and american eagle are american big time clothing compannys that cost 60 to 80 $ a shirt