Hulk

Originally posted by Herr Logan
People rely too much on trite, meaningless cliches like "it's never going to happen that way for any superhero movie, because of money" to excuse bad writing. The money idea is nonsense. Pay attention and actually put some thought into what you say. Good God, you sound like a damn child. Remember that huge display of nonsense at the end with Hulk smacking his daddy/Absorbing Man around and there was a nuclear explosion? Transplant that explosion to the beginning, where it would be a gamma bomb, and transplant those effects and put them into some decent fight scenes with worthy villains. It's not a matter of money, it's a matter of pandering to the wrong audience and indulging the director's artistic whims. Grow up and stop using meaningless language.

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Herr logan the whole point you make with money and a movie, in order to make a movie they need money. i never mentioned anything about good writing, i never even mentioned it at all. And you said i'm using meaningless language, don't put words in my mouth. Bad writing yes, good directing and good acting yes, that's why i like the movie. And please don't put me down because of my opinion. I know i did the same to you but i feel a need to defend myself. stop referring to the comic book because like i said i never read them. and now i feel like a child because now i'm bitching about stupid things

I literally fell asleep whilst watching it on dvd.
The comic book style didnt work for it, it hurt my eyes.
I'm not a fan of the incredible hult tv show and dont read comics so the movie was never made for me. But it was crap imo

Originally posted by steely balls
Herr logan the whole point you make with money and a movie, in order to make a movie they need money. i never mentioned anything about good writing, i never even mentioned it at all. And you said i'm using meaningless language, don't put words in my mouth. Bad writing yes, good directing and good acting yes, that's why i like the movie. And please don't put me down because of my opinion. I know i did the same to you but i feel a need to defend myself. stop referring to the comic book because like i said i never read them. and now i feel like a child because now i'm bitching about stupid things

You're all over the place with your logic now, aren't ya? I don't know how to respond to someone who asks me to not judge his opinion and yet he admits he did the same to me. I'm simply sick and tired of hearing the same tired, immature, lazy excuses being used to justify easily avoided failures. Every time someone says "It's a movie, not the comic. . . it's an issue of money," I'm going to call it as I see it-- complete erroneous crap! I already alluded to certain visual effects that could have been used in better ways, so what little evidence I've brought to the table is still more than I've heard from you. It is meaningless language when you say things like "It's a movie, not the comic. . . it's an issue of money," especially when it's easily disproved. this isn't personal to you, and I am sorry that I was harsh and made you feel stupid. It really burns when people advocate laziness and place no value on using one's brain, and Kes can confirm that (she has been hounding me about this pet peeve of mine in other forums, with no justification for her views yet).

Truthfully, "Hulk" would have been better if they hadn't imitated the personality of the 70's TV Hulk and let him speak. He has spoken on with different personalities throughout his run in the comics and I'm sure one of those styles would have been better than this lazy piece of pop-psychology crap, whose production during which, Ang Lee was so "fastidious" in making things perfect. This is what I mean by directors using fan-based franchises as a vehicle for their artistic whims. Ang Lee is not lazy-- quite the opposite. But the writers were, and if they wanted to make a decent movie, they would have. It's saddening when you think of how they could have made a quality movie of which they could be proud that would please fans and newcomers and make lots of money all at the same time. Yes, this is possible, and only lazy, ignorant sheep believe what they are told when people say "it can't be done, it's a matter of money/complications/movie not comics." Instead, these people are only concerned with fleecing the movie-goer and getting their title on a sales chart. If they made a quality movie, their work would be immortal, like the Superman movie (flawed though it was, it's amazing in many ways) and the first two Batman films. Instead, their work will be easily forgotten and it will be rendered meaningless as soon as someone with a big budget and some pretty faces on the cast make the new highest opening record.
That makes me mad. Herr Logan get mad. Rraarrrgh! Herr Logan SMASH!!

i agree with you but when you said that i have made no points across, i cried inside. i wasn't trying to prove factual points i was trying to prove or show you why i liked the movie, but like i said i never read the comics i can't compare or put up factual points. i guess i have different movie taste or whatever. When i mentioned you judging my opinion and i also admitted judging yours. somehow i knew you were going to respond to it exactly the way you did. i enjoy an argument like this even though we go back and forth on how we get our opinions across, which is completely irrelevant to the topic, and i respect your opinion. And ending the argument money was an issue like i said a movie needs money people need money, universal tried to get money in by going maybe a little to far fetched with the action, universal had total control over how they movie would turn out. i realize you notice that my ideas are a little scattered but that's my personality. and i hope got my points across
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They had all the money they needed. Their poverty lies in good judgment and respect for the source material.

Originally posted by Herr Logan
(she has been hounding me about this pet peeve of mine in other forums, with no justification for her views yet).

Lets face it guys the whole Hulk story is just to stupid! A guy that grows and turns green when he gets angry??!Please! (I have not seen the movie thou, just never liked Hulk.)

Yet still the mistery remains to how, his body becomes 8 times bigger, his shirt rips but his pants stay on...magic 😱

i thought the story was crap but the filming style was good!

and as far as marvel movies go... x-men 2 is by far the best, but Captian America is a close second 😛

Originally posted by amlap
i thought the story was crap but the filming style was good!

and as far as marvel movies go... x-men 2 is by far the best, but Captian America is a close second 😛

I cannot believe that you wrote that. Captain America wasn't as big a travesty as the Hulk, but it fell pretty short. And that's just assuming you're talking about the 1991 movie with J.D. Salinger's kid in the costume, instead of those horrible, horrible movies in the 70's.

Lil bitchiness, it's not magic. I don't know what nonsense they were thinking when they made the movie, but in the original story Banner was bombarded by a gamma bomb's radiation. He carries this energy with him all the time, and when he transforms, the energy vonverts to matter. Conceivably, it's scientifically possible, although not very likely. obviously.

Kes, if you don't the story, then you don't have any valuable input on it, do you? The Hulk story throughout the decades has had it's good points and it's horrendous points. This movie could have been a mature psychological exploration coupled with a special effects rumble, but they weren't thinking about what would make a good story. They did what was predictable because they knew they could get away with it. Why? Because they know that the average movie-goer is a moron who will accept any cliched pop-psychology quasi-romance blockbuster without any real analytical thought. In my experience, you've been one of the people here advocating that way of thinking. Care to explain why that gives you the right to criticize me for challenging people's ways of thinking? Try harder than simply "everyone's entitled to their opinion" and "it's a movie, not a comic" and "they didn't have enough money," if you can. I challenged you to prove me wrong before, and you failed. I'm interested to see if you have either the smarts to prove me wrong or the courage to admit that you were.

you've already said these things, we know what you don't like about how or what we write. we know, we know. so lay off us. this is forum not a presidential debate.

Originally posted by steely balls
you've already said these things, we know what you don't like about how or what we write. we know, we know. so lay off us. this is forum not a presidential debate.

I just thought you (like me) were getting a little to frustrated with some people, i guess this your own personal problem with people. i don't get really pissed in real life but i come off as somewhat of an ass on the Internet but i just like to get certain thing off my chest. any way please stick to the forum, still not a debate.

Originally posted by amlap
x-men 2 is by far the best, but Captian America is a close second 😛

note the sarcasim! 🙄

but you cant say the whole getting oout of the car upset then running back to the car when the person walked up to see if he was ok. i dont know bout you, but i have stolen many cars successly that way.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Yet still the mistery remains to how, his body becomes 8 times bigger, his shirt rips but his pants stay on...magic 😱

That's nothing! In a seventies strip his purple tousers stayed intact when he fell through the Earth's atmosphere and glowed red hot.

Originally posted by amlap
but you cant say the whole getting oout of the car upset then running back to the car when the person walked up to see if he was ok. i dont know bout you, but i have stolen many cars successly that way.

I was pretty tired when I responded to you, and I guess I missed the sarcasm completely. 🙄
So you steal cars like ol' Cap, huh? Well, remind me never to give you a ride. When I a get a car, that is. 😉

Originally posted by Herr Logan

Kes, if you don't the story, then you don't have any valuable input on it, do you? The Hulk story throughout the decades has had it's good points and it's horrendous points. This movie could have been a mature psychological exploration coupled with a special effects rumble, but they weren't thinking about what would make a good story. They did what was predictable because they knew they could get away with it. Why? Because they know that the average movie-goer is a moron who will accept any cliched pop-psychology quasi-romance blockbuster without any real analytical thought. In my experience, you've been one of the people here advocating that way of thinking. Care to explain why that gives you the right to criticize me for challenging people's ways of thinking? Try harder than simply "everyone's entitled to their opinion" and "it's a movie, not a comic" and "they didn't have enough money," if you can. I challenged you to prove me wrong before, and you failed. I'm interested to see if you have either the smarts to prove me wrong or the courage to admit that you were.

Originally posted by amity75
I've just finally got round to watching Hulk. I'd been told to expect the worst but I thoroughly enjoyed it. The effects were spot on, the story was great and I'd go as far as to say that it was much better than spider-man which was vastly overrated. So there.