Originally posted by Euripides
Martian Manhunter took down the ENTIRE JLA by himself. He's extremely powerful. Superman admitted that MM is on the top of the list in regards to people he would be afraid to fight. Vision goes down.
And you don't think his massive telepathy and intangibility come into play in that? His powers may be good agaisnt the JLA, but Vision can counteract them all.
According to the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe : Avengers 2004. Vision's max durability is level 5 (bullet-proof). His max speed is 700 miles per hour while flying. His max strength is level 4 (800 to 25 ton range) Vision is nowhere near the level of MM.
The very same website you got your information from states that Martian Manhunter is class B ( Meta Class B - Anything weighing up to 100 tons can be lifted.) and has Class B invulnerability (Demi-godlike (able to withstand all injury short of a direct nuclear explosion). He's extremely hard to kill. He can heal from nearly any injury and can reconstitute his body at will. Anything that the Vision does to MM will be reconstituted.
MM would just utlize his superspeed and rip the Vision to shreds. She Hulk did it.
Martian Manhunter can reach Superman's strenght league for a few minutes, he can project Martian Vision: The actual nature of this power seems to vary depending on the reports. It has been seen to be a bolt of force, directed by the Manhunter's eyes causing considerable damage, equivalent to 50-100 lbs of TNT. It has also been seen to cause flammable objects to catch fire. The range of this power is also unknown but has been seen to be effective at ranges of 500 feet or more. Judging from the infrequency of use, it must have a high energy cost or reduce the Martian's effectiveness in some way.
He also possess superhuman speed and reflexes but he can't run at superspeed like Supes, WW, Flash, but he can fly over Mach 10 speeds, and hover in mid air, and perform other aerobatic feats, but he's not a speedster in the real sense.His telepath powers cannot work on Vision.
In AVENGERS VS JLA, he and Vision crash one into the body of the other in intangible form, and they were feeling pain.Considering they both weren't several hurted, it means their intangible forms are of equal strenght, perhaps Vision's full density body has a weight of 92Tons, something that J'Onn can lift or hit with ease, even without reach Superman's league of strenght, he just need to reach the low levels of Class 100 strenght and defeat Vision in a physical confrontation.
Considering MM doesn't fear fire anymore, this is a close a match.
Originally posted by Khellendros
Actually, at normal strength MM can only lift about 20 tons. He can match Supermans strength, but only for a minute before the stress on his body begins to cause him to literally unravel. In addition, he's nowhere near as invulnerable as Superman, since he could oly take one hit from Doomsday. MM has a sort of eye beam power, it has the power of 50-100 lbs of TNT, but he almost never uses it. His shapeshifting is limited to anything that has his same mass. He can compact himself down to 4 feet or stretch himself to 9, but he can't take on any form he can imagine. He can go intangible, but staying that way is very taxing. John does have telepathy, but that wouldn't come into play against Vision who is a machine.
and where did you find this? proves? superman maybe a little bit more strong and invulnerable, but saying MM can only reach sutch amounts of strenght for some minutes is false, he´s superman league, maybe supes a litlle bit stronger, but really is not that mutch.
Originally posted by Euripides
Soooo, MM utlizes his superspeed in midair and rips Vision to pieces. He never runs anyway.Yes Orion is stronger than Superman. Not many people know that though. He's always on that Astro-Harness
Originally posted by dawsey28
J'onn is almost like Prof. X + Superman + Vision + Hulk (regeneration).He is pretty powerful. Even if he can't mind wipe Vision, he can use his speed and strength to take him out before Vision can do much of anything.
Vision is a supercomputer. He could turn intangible before Jonn formulates a thought.
Originally posted by dawsey28
Okay Cube...Then it is a stalemate because both can go intangible.
yes it happened for a breif moment in Jla/Avengers crossover
Originally posted by Euripides
According to the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe : Avengers 2004. Vision's max durability is level 5 (bullet-proof). His max speed is 700 miles per hour while flying. His max strength is level 4 (800 to 25 ton range) Vision is nowhere near the level of MM.The very same website you got your information from states that Martian Manhunter is class B ( Meta Class B - Anything weighing up to 100 tons can be lifted.) and has Class B invulnerability (Demi-godlike (able to withstand all injury short of a direct nuclear explosion). He's extremely hard to kill. He can heal from nearly any injury and can reconstitute his body at will. Anything that the Vision does to MM will be reconstituted.
MM would just utlize his superspeed and rip the Vision to shreds. She Hulk did it.
no Vision can lift 75 class area but can press alot more, MM is classed 80 ton normally then he can reconfigure his whatever and become in Superman's league for a finite time period