Movies injustice to the book
🙁 The movie totally ignores the story of after the destruction of the ring. The scouring of the shire and most of all, the DEATH of Saruman.
The movie also ignores the fact that there is more than two Wizards in all of middle earth! A whole wizards counsel isn't even mentioned.
i understand Tom's non-existence but the death of a character is rather far.
The death of Saruman will be in the extended edition. You have to understand that there is not enough time for the movie to include everything that were in the book.
For The Scouring of the Shire, I understand that they had to cut the scene. No matter how awesome it was in the books, that scene will barely work out in the movie. The Scouring of the Shire is one of the most obvious and logical cuts to make in a film adaptation of LOTR (for me at least). I knew from the day I heard they were making a movie trilogy of The Lord of the Rings that the "Scouring of the Shire" would be either impossible to include in a theatrical release, or else it would fail miserably to please mass audiences. It only strengthened my view when I saw the movies. The way the film(s) are made makes the SOS an unnecessary, drawn out episode that simply takes up too much time, is anti-climactic, and weakens the whole film IMO. Imagine what the critics and non-book readers would have to say if they had to sit through another 20+minutes of mini battle at the end of the film. They are already complaining about the "so-called" too long multiple endings. We as book fans wouldn't mind about that for sure, but we also have to remember that these films are also made for the average movie-goers.
About the Wizards, yes, there were 5 of them sent to Middle-earth. But the two were lost in the East and I can't see any reason for the filmmakers to even mention them. About Radagast the Brown, it will take too much time to introduce him. And having another Wizard will just confuse some people. Why introduce another Wizard to send the Eagles if Gandalf is a Wizard, too? I know the reason behind that but you can't really explain it to others.
The White Council doesn't have to be mentioned. 😉
Just to end this, the book is the book and the films are the films. That's why it's a movie adaptation. I myself stopped comparing the two mediums. I will just disappoint myself. This is PJ's interpretation of LOTR and we just have to be thankful that he and the people involved did an amazing job. Of course, I'm not saying that I'm not disappointed with some of the changes, I also can't help it sometimes. But I'm just trying to think that if I want to see and feel a particular scene, then all I have to do is just read it from the book. 😉
Re: Movies injustice to the book
Originally posted by Raventheonly
🙁 The movie totally ignores the story of after the destruction of the ring. The scouring of the shire and most of all, the DEATH of Saruman.
The movie also ignores the fact that there is more than two Wizards in all of middle earth! A whole wizards counsel isn't even mentioned.
i understand Tom's non-existence but the death of a character is rather far.
stupid, nonbased and repeated threat raven.. you dont have the right to call the masterpiece of peter jackson "an injustice to the book" please retract yourself..........well explanation shadowy
Re: Re: Movies injustice to the book
Originally posted by IcepicK
stupid, nonbased and repeated threat raven.. you dont have the right to call the masterpiece of peter jackson "an injustice to the book" please retract yourself..........
Well I wouldnt directly call it nonbased... but repeated is definitely correct 😄
And in some ways I also agree with the title (the injustice-thing) - which changes nothing about my opinion that these are the three best films ever and it would be hard to make it better, though there are many things that could be improved, but far more that could have been done a lot worse by others.
The films are a point of view, and everybody has to find his own view of the Lord of the Rings.
great post, shadowy ^^
hey imagine if you will
your not a tolkien fan...you only like the films....you havent read the book.....you go, you see big kickass battle....you see ring get destroyed etc etc...aragorn comes king!
then after the initial part of the movie is over
would you sit through them going home...seeing the shire destroyed....seeing the battle of bywater....which wasnt oo impressive on screen.......
this is hitting four and a hgalf hours now
would you stay through that if your 'just another movie buff'
?
Um, maybe it's just me but I THINK that Raventheonly is actually a bigger fan of the books. They're not moaning about the film as if they have no knowledge of what should have happened. To be honest, I get the impression that you did not appreciate to films - in which case, it seems rather silly that you are visiting a forum concering the films instead of the books but still....
Yes, compared to the books, the films really seem quite inferior, but still - the greatest achievement in movie making history!
The movies, amazing as they are, are only a condensed, simplified version of the full story. The book is filled with so much detail and an incredible sense of "vistas unseen" (to paraphrase Tolkien himself). It includes so much more of the story, and gives much more depth and richness to the tale.
Unless you only want to see the droolable actors and the magnificent battle scales and special effects, in my opinion, the book will always be superior to the movies. Always.
🙂
shadowy, you are brilliant 😄 I agree with everything you said haha. And Raven, you shouldn't complain about the movie. Like all the other people who have posted this before said, people who aren't huge LOTR fans like we are wouldn't like sitting through an even longer movie than what it already is. The ratings would keep going down and down (this is just my guess, however) because of how long it is, no matter how amazing it is. You see, people who haven't read the books or who have no real appreciation for LOTR just go for the action and, for most girls (not including me and a lot of people on here), for Orlando Bloom 😕 They probably don't even know the real meaning of the Ring. I bet some of them can't tell the difference between, say, the Witch-King and the Nazgul! I know there's not MUCH of a difference, but there's still a difference! Some people, like my dad and one of my friends, for instance, don't even know why Sauron made and wants the Ring!!! According to my friend, she just goes for "the action and adventure stuff." So, if a lot of people don't even know the purpose of the Ring or anything, I doubt they would enjoy sitting through a 4 + hour movie. I've heard plenty of people complain about it being 3 and a half hours! And it probably wouldn't have very good reviews. OK, I am going to end this because my mom's getting REALLY mad at me and she wants me off, so, to conclude this, sure, the books are better (in my opinion) and the Scouring of the Shire chapter and the death of Saruman are really good parts, but it would have made the movie much too long(well, for certain people. I wouldn't mind it if the movie was even longer haha). Besides, it will be included in the EE of ROTK when it comes out on DVD, so just calm down!
Originally posted by Discos
telcontar was going to say what I was needing to say, it was the "order", but obviously the blue wizards were injusted by saruman.....well who else?
Well, the 2 Blue Wizards are not members of the White Council. The Council is made up of Saruman (as the chief), Gandalf, Radagast the Brown, Galadriel, Celeborn, and Elrond. 😄
But still, it still doesn't have to have a big involvement in the movies. The people weren't introduced to Galadriel and Celeborn till the Fellowship went to Caras Galadhon and Radagast wasn't in the movie. 🙂
PippinTook, glad you agree. 😄