I think the world would be lacking a lot of things.... Some people just need something to believe in to motivate themselves to haul their asses out of bed every day and get out into the world. Religion has its pros and cons, IMO they balance each other out. That being said, I don't think a world without religion would be possible, at least not in our race. It could survive just fine--but it would never develop that way.
Personally i belive religion is just another type of controll
It existed before the goverment and when the goverment came in, many people turned ethiest
i myself am not one but i dont realy belive in any particular religion
and why wouldnt we survive without religion???
we consider that all animals after they die... just die and dont go to haven or are reborn or anithing like that.
Why is it that humans have to be different and atempt to create and belive in something that does not exists???
Arent we animals as well?? werent we created just like themm??
I never said we wouldn't survive without religion, I said just the opposite. What I meant was that it would be impossible for the human race to have evolved without the emergence of some sort of religion. And I never said we were any different than animals either... I believe that if there is some kind of "afterlife", animals go there too. We're not trying to be "different" from animals, it's just that humans are rather insecure beings and a lot of us need something to believe in. Like I said.
Darth> Everything is politics. But I agree that you’ll be hard-pressed to find religious wars in this century, or any other for that part. Sure, in the past wars in Europe were started with a pretext of “gettin’ those evil catholics/protestans” but that was just a scam.
But didn’t the American Civil War really start over the territories west of the Mississippi? I thought the slavery part was just the “propaganda part”??? WWI was over colonies, the Duke getting assassinated was just the match to the dynamite waiting to explode. And WWII was just WWI resurrected, as the Germans had gotten such a hard war-penalty, something like the Nazi’s was BOUND to happen.
So there are usually “two” reasons behind a war. An “official” one, and the real reason.
BF> To the point as always, huh? 😄
All> I suppose the problem with political debate is equal parts stubbornness and ignorance. What works for me, or, say, Denmark, may not work at all for some other person or country. What I believe is the best way to govern, may spread chaos somewhere else. Politics can tear people apart (I know, I lost my Oklahoman penpal through 15 years when we started discussing that subject), but your political views also shows a damn more about you than your choice of fast-food.
A statement such as the world wouldn’t have evolved without religion requires some proof, though. Perhaps it would be fairer to say: Can we imagine the human race evolving without coming up with something as peculiar as religion along the way? And politics for that matter.
But then: What is religion? An old Chinese saying says “Politics is like a dream.” Think about it 🙂
Omega--the American Civil war had a lot of causes... Slavery was both the "official" reason, and a legitimate reason, among others. I think it would be fair to say that it was mainly just due to the growing tension between the northern and southern states--they were polar opposites in a number of ways. There were some issues over the western territories, but a lot of that actually had to do with slavery--which states would be slave states, which wouldn't, etc. There was a "miniature Civil War" in Kansas after it was decided that the slave issue was going to be left up to the people who lived there. What ended up happening was a bunch of people moved there all of a sudden, just so they could vote on the slavery issue, and they ended up attacking each other. What this has to do with the original topic, I don't know. 😄
Darth> Ah, yes. Most wars have more than one clear-cut and easy reason. The American Civil War thing just caught my attention some years ago, when the idealistic “abolish slavery” reason for the North was placed somewhat in the background, and just became the “propaganda part”.
As far as I remember the North were the industrialised states, who didn’t need slaves, and the South were more feudal and needed slaves… or some such. What do I know? 😄 I’m Danish, not an American war-history expert.
Why we discuss this? Ehrm… someone I think said religion caused all wars… I think.
(Is jetlagged and therefore excused).
What i really hate, with a passion is any religion, culture or politic that imposes its will open you without your consent
For example, you can have all the democracy, buddhism, hip-hop you want, but if you try to impose it upon me that is what severly pisses me off, so im against any politics or religion that attempts to affect you, id have it so you have to go to them to have anything to do with it, unfeasable maybe, but i dont care.
Originally posted by silver_tears
Being on opposite sides in politics is not the problem. I think the problem is stubborness. I mean some people are just not willing to admit defeat. That bothers me the most, swallow your pride and admit you're wrong once in a while.And on a side note, I'm president of my school's debate team 😖mart:
Yeah exactly,that is why I am no longer friends with a person that I was long time very good friends with because he wont wont admit it when he is wrong and has been proven wrong,no matter what evidence you show him he trys to make something up and say thats not proof or whatever when it clearly is proof.He actually thinks that there are no different laws for politicians than there are for people like us,seriously hes that ignorant.No matter what you show him that proves that presidents have committed crimes many times in the past that we could never get away with,he blatantly ignores it all and says none of its true.He only sees his own point of view and talking wiht him is like talking to a wall as many people have found out.Its like he lives in his own world and does not want to face reality because the real world obviously frightens him too much.
Re: Politics...
Originally posted by Darth Revan
Don't worry folks, this is not a political thread.My question is this: do you think politics and our different views in the political world are separating us from one another, both as a nation, and the entire human race?
I was on another forum earlier, and I was arguing about politics with somebody. As far as that goes, we are polar opposites. Then I realized that the only thing I knew about the person was that I disagreed with their political views. She seems like a nice enough person when I see her posting elsewhere on the forum, but when we meet in a political thread... It's like she has multiple personalities, basically she turns into a b!tch. IMHO this is a sign that our society takes politics waaaay too seriously.
Anywho... What are your opinions on this?
well politics are rather a very important thing, and it's a "touchy" subject for a lot of people that's why it's not allowed here 😬
All the facts are the same taht people debate over it's how much the facts are worth to people. Like the war, some people supported it and thought that it was worth it, and other didn't. BTW.....A lot of people just ahte bush because its the "hip" thing to do. I mean they know NOTHING about politics, and lead iwth thier hearts, and not their brains,a nd bash Bush for one thing he did, without looking at positive things. And believe propaganda liek Moore. BTW.. I think that more than 900 people dying a year in Detriot is worse than 900 soldier dying to take out an evil man, in 50 years, Iraq will be well off, look at germany after WWII. Also, They say that the more attacks are happening because of Iraq war, WELL WHAT THE HELL DO YOU EXPECT, its a war, it BRINGs out the attacks, are we supposed to just pretend to let saddamn and things go. WMD is only a SMALL part to go to war. Personally I think all presidents are not good, but I support bush., because Kerry flip-flops and I DO NOT THINK WITH MY HEART, I THINK WITH MY BRAIN
That is the type of respone you would get from a conservative (what I just wrote), and the opposite of liberal, both are right and wrong, its how they balance out what is important to them. Liberals like peace, and giving money to those who need it,
Conservatives like standing up for themselves, and earning what you get , if we could just mix them a bit
Hmmm...
Politics, and views that oppose your own in general, are necessary for our societies survival. How stagnant would life be if everyone agreed on everything? The very idea is ridiculous. Variety is the spice of life, even when variety means that sometimes the people you agree with aren't in power. Having a choice, and realizing that others have a choice that may not jive with mine is one of the most important aspects of life to me.
Like Tptmanno said, I have a bigger problem with ignorance than with political views that oppose my own. Healthy debate is good, it keeps my synapses firing.