Bush calls for gay marriage ban

Originally posted by ash007
yeah ok i respect your religion

but what if some people dont support your religion

whats wrong with them getting married

that wasn't religion that was history

but if that change is a change that is wrong ppl will fight for the old becuase the old was right

Old is not always right. Take my example of slavery. It was wrong, it was opposed it was defeated.

Originally posted by ash007
yeah but most people dont even take marrigae seriously.
look at Britney

Well, you do expect things like that from celebreties (more publicity) but I'm taking more about ppl in general. If gays take marriage seriously then let then have it. I don't aprove of gay marriages if it is only just to make a statement to everyone.

yes i know for a fact that you The Force is black

so how would you feel if you were being treated as a slave
becasue in the oldern days they used to do it
and they used to discrinate

I'm with Bush on this one. Don't allow gays to marry, but offer civil unions. They get the same benefits just without the title.

Originally posted by Raz
Old is not always right. Take my example of slavery. It was wrong, it was opposed it was defeated.

that's why no one fought for the old way, the new way proved better

i fail to see a compeling arguement to support bush's decision to ban gay marriage.

It stopped being about religion a long time ago. Marriage servers far more financial and social purposes than it does religious purposes.

You get taxed differently, insurance rates change, credit status changes, and a lot more things in society have to do with marriage.

I personally don't like the idea of being gay. I don't descriminate upon an individual by their sexual preference...but in genereal, i don't like gays.

Originally posted by The Force
that's why no one fought for the old way, the new way proved better

Maybe I'm wrong but didn't half the country fight for the old way?

And sorry if you were being sarcastic 😉

yeah....lotsa people fought for "the old way." But eventually narrow minded people opened up their eyes and their minds and did the right thing. I think that's what's going to happen here with gay marriages.

If the amendment passes...it will be fought against. Eventually, maybe in a month, maybe in several years...people will realise gays right to marriage and they will be able to do so if they see fit.

Well, on a point of historical accuracy, very few Southerners fought for the principle of retaining slavery. Not a great surprise as the slaveowners were exempt from service. Most of the Southern soliders could not care less- they fought because they saw themselves as being invaded.

Originally posted by Viper
Maybe I'm wrong but didn't half the country fight for the old way?

And sorry if you were being sarcastic 😉

i meant fought and won for the new

Originally posted by Linkalicious
yeah....lotsa people fought for "the old way." But eventually narrow minded people opened up their eyes and their minds and did the right thing. I think that's what's going to happen here with gay marriages.

It wasn't so much that these people opened their eyes...more like they lost a war and were forced to give up slavery. That's kind of the reason you had, and still do have, major racism in the south.

Yes, took a good 100 years to sort that out...

Howveer, can someone fill me in about what Bush is doing here? is he specifically making an anti-gay marriage law or is he closing a legal loophole or something?

Originally posted by Linkalicious
yeah....lotsa people fought for "the old way." But eventually narrow minded people opened up their eyes and their minds and did the right thing. I think that's what's going to happen here with gay marriages.

If the amendment passes...it will be fought against. Eventually, maybe in a month, maybe in several years...people will realise gays right to marriage and they will be able to do so if they see fit.

that will like never happen, you going to have to kill like all the christians for that to happen

So far I think Belgium, Canada, Germany have legalize gay marriages. I just knew that the US was next. Hmmm....... I wonder what will happen in People's Republic of China when the debate of gay marriages arrive there.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Yes, took a good 100 years to sort that out...

Howveer, can someone fill me in about what Bush is doing here? is he specifically making an anti-gay marriage law or is he closing a legal loophole or something?

I’m soooo confused about this gay/whatever debate. I’m actually sick of it. I'm a Christian, and I have two gay friends.

I’m in no way against gays. Personally, I feel that isn’t right, to judge someone on what they belive or how they act. I'm against this act or whatever, it's like banning someone from their religion. And I also think that I should shut up now before I ramble...

Do I think too much for a 13-year-old? 😬

Ok, so, now what I see here is room for doubt. See, for a right-wing Christian Republican, Bush's anti-gay sentiment over time has been remarkably mild.

What he might do here- seeing as he says that he will not stop States making provisions for gay couples- is that whilst he will preserve the literal instiution of 'marriage' for man and wife, I do not think he will obstruct States that allow civil unions between Gays that, for all practical intents and purposes SAVE religious ones, have the exact same effect abd legal standing.

Whilst that is still discrimination, it could be a hell of a lot worse.

Pfft, who cars about religion?

He's said on several occassions that he's for civil unions between gay couples.