Batman vs Spiderman and Carnage vs the Joker

Here is the senario, remember the Batman Spiderman crossover?

It envolved Carnage and the Joker. Ive seen a few post's stating how Batman and Joker can actually >>BEAT UP<< Spiderman and Carnage

I think they are confuseing Bat's prep time with what he can do in a random encounter

In an actual >>>>fight <<<<

Spiderman would beat Batman

Carnage would DESTROY the Joker

Im pretty sure 8/10 fight's will go this way.

what are your opinions

Uhhh? Carnage VS Joker first off... Joker would be a bloody spot on the road.
Spiderman may have a harder time with batman than we would think though...

Carnage vs Joker is a larf.

Spidey and Batman is closer.

Carnage, ultimate violence, versus the Joker, thats a total annihilation of the existence of the one people refer to as THE JOKER. Carnage would completly rip the Jokers head off, and stick it in a palm tree.

Now as for Batman versus Spiderman. Spiderman would probably take him. Spiderman moves to fast, and what would happen if Batmans belt was knocked off during the fight. Spiderman could flip circles around Batman.

Easy versus battles to evaluate. Spiderman, would win over Batman, and Joker would lose terribly over Carnage. But, Carnage versus Spiderman, Spiderman may not survive this one.

With prep time, Batman and Joker, DUH. Batman, as we all know, can whoop just about anyone with prep time. Joker can lay traps too complex for Cletus's single-mindedness. without prep, Spiderman can take them both by himself. Or Carnage can take them both by himself. either one.

Well, Batman could be almost anybody with preperation. But, Wizard magazine did a last man standing where Batman had no prep time at all and he fought Spiderman, and after a close battle Batman came out on top.

and that's where I tossed Wizard's unbaised credability out the window

In a recent battle they had all of Spiderman's villains in a royal rumble. it came down to Kraven and the Green Goblin.

KRAVEN!? Morbius, Hobgoblin, Venom, Carnage, Sandman, Electro, Shocker, Rhino ALL could drop Kraven

The fight should have been between Hobgoblin and Green Goblin where if it's Norman vs Kingsley and Kingsley wins

Wizard is good for update's and comic value's thats about it

i like there previous LMS battles, or at least most of them. Batman is a more awesome character than spidey, i think. And spiderman's webs would be vulnerable to batarangs, not to mention all of his nifty gadgets. Batman is a lot smarter, but Spiderman may still win, hard to say

No, Spiderman WILL win against Batman. Spiderman has10 TON strength, which means one solid punch and Batman is down.

bats with prep time, spidey without,
now carnage and joker are about the same on the insanity level, but joker just doesnt have the edge he would need to bring down carnage.

How about Cledus Kassidy with the symbiote in a hand to hand fight with Joker? What do you guys think?

It be better then Carnage Vs. Joker, cause Joker might have a chance in hth against Kassidy.

Well without the Symbiote the Joker could just shoot Kassidy, but the Symbiote augmented Kassidy like Brock, he probably has class 2 strength.

He could just strangle the Joker

No, I meant just hand to hand (no weapons): Kassidy against the Joker.

than Im pretty sure Kassidy would win. he has basic fighting skill's, pretty much he was raised on the street's and know's how to tussel

Joker would NOT FIGHT HAND TO HAND, HELL HE DOES NOT FIGHT HAND TO HAND WITH BATMAN>

Joker would beat Kassidy, Kassidy will be lieing on the ground with a big smile on his face. I can tell you that. lol

How? I dont see any proof.

Pit the Joker against Carnage and all you have is a bloody smear. pit Carnage against Batman and all you have is a bloody smear!

the only way those two can win is with prep time. why cant you see this?

Joker does not need prep time, You will never know what will happen next.

Joker will beat Carage, He did it in the comic with a crobar if I recall

LOL OMG! a crowbar!?! against Carnage!?!

here is a history leason about ol' Carny

Appearance
Height: 6' 1"
Weight: 190 lbs
Eyes: Green
Hair: Red
Features: As Carnage, elongate jaw & "teeth", ever moving tendrils from various parts of his body, both of which are a part of the alien that is his costume.

Real Name: Cletus Kasady
Current Aliases: None
Former Aliases: None
Dual Identity: Publicly Known
Current Occupation: Prisoner/patient, Ravencroft
Former Occupation: Serial Killer
Citizenship: U.S.
Legal Status: Criminal record in U.S.
Place of Birth: Brooklyn, New York
Marital Status: Single
Known Relatives: Mother (killed by father), Venom (symbiote parent), Father (deceased), Grandmother (killed by Cletus)
Known Confidants: Shriek
Known Allies: Shriek, Doppelganger, DemoGoblin
Major Enemies: Spider-Man, Venom, Cloak & Dagger
Usual Bases: Ravencroft Institute
Former Bases: Former site of the St. Estes Home for Boys, Brookln, New York
Current Groups: None
Former Groups: None
Education: High School

Powers & Paraphenalia
Strength Level: Unknown, shown to be significantly stronger than both Venom and Spider-Man
Powers: Has a symbiote costume simalar to Venom, but seems to be more powerful, possibely due to it's incubation on Earth. Kasady's symbiote can, like Venom's, mimic any type of clothing, but unlike Venom, Carnage has not been seen useing the costume as camoflage. The symbiote has augmented all of Kasady's physical abilities to super-human levels apparently higher than that of Venom's.
Abilities: Carnage animates his costume to create snares, swing line, and most often bladed weapons. Carnage can hurl these "blades" from anywhere on his body. They disinetgrate after about thirty seconds after they are thrown. Carnage also posses wall-cralwing abilities similar to Venom's. In some unknown manner, the symbiote can dampen both Spider-Man's spider-sense, & the Venom symbiote's in born ability to track its spawn.
Equipment: None
Weapons: Whatever he makes
Limitations: The symbiote is vunerable to both sonics(to a much lesser degree than it's parent) & heat based attacks (to a much greater degree than its parent).

Originally posted by VENOMfan
and that's where I tossed Wizard's unbaised credability out the window

In a recent battle they had all of Spiderman's villains in a royal rumble. it came down to Kraven and the Green Goblin.

KRAVEN!? Morbius, Hobgoblin, Venom, Carnage, Sandman, Electro, Shocker, Rhino ALL could drop Kraven

The fight should have been between Hobgoblin and Green Goblin where if it's Norman vs Kingsley and Kingsley wins

Wizard is good for update's and comic value's thats about it

Sandman would kill all of them.

Hey I know who Carnage is, I know his powers. But in that crossover(you have to take it lighly even I will amitt Joker would not pull it off THAT WAY but he will pull it off) Joker beat Carnage with a crowbar, he just beat the jekers out of him.

They miss up big in that cross over with the Joker winning that way.

I see the Joker winning by putting Cargie in some kind of trap, maybe a sewer trap like kightfall or a deadly trap with millions of lives at state.

It will be a fight to see if Cargie will get to Joker before Joker kills Kassidy, with some sceme or something. Joker is not going to walk up to Kassidy, and fight him hand to hand. He plant a bomb here or there or maybe lure him into a trap. Joker could pull off a win over Carage.