Man i jus had to say this, U noe wut i hate most of all, fake goths....Yes u heard me fake ones, U noe those kids who paint themselves, wear all sorts of gay makeup, and pretend like tier depressed, I noe 2 of these people, Jus outta nowhere one day, HEY look im goth, they crave attention these sorts of people shoul;d die, cuz it makes me angry, cuz they listen to shitty emo music, and the clothes they got are most likely from hot topic, I hate that place, their bondage is half-grade shit, if u want some gothic clothes or bondage clothes, goto a freakin sex shop, thats where i go, GIves me pride 😛, also....why do these fake goths all think their freakin vampires? i dont understnad, I mean i noe some real hardcore goths, and I consider my self, Kinda like a goth in the making lol, in the past cpl pf years of have been listening to the music, reading books, etc....Im not a hardcore beliver in all which is goth, but I am more goth then mos people whop consider themselves goth.....btw manson is a pussy, If u want someone whos a cool goth, take dani filth, He likes iron maiden...............and if you dont noe who dani filth is u shoul;d probably die too