Originally posted by Forcizzle
😛 and over here it's just something that you do wrong 😄 kindatheology is a sin? 🤨
well, here you can do something wrong and still don't claim it's a sin... it's a sin of waisting good food though 😉
I don't believe in something like "evil" - In my opinion evil depends just on your point of view and the ideas of the society you live with - some think suicide is evil, some don't, some think Hitler is evil and unfortunately many didn't.
There is no global evil except for hatred - well, that's *my* point of view.
"Evil" is just humanity's attempt to find somebody guilty for everything where they themselves failed to do what would have been right.
Originally posted by BackFire
Hitler's perspective was wrong.I think evil is intentionally doing something that will cause harm or death to another person, regaurdless of common sense telling you it's wrong.
Was Hitler an evil person then? The personification of evil itself? Certainly not - he liked children, he liked animals, the problem is that he became mighty and that his conviction killed millions of people and ruined the lives of unnumbered others. But after all, it wasn't him alone who killed them, he could never have done it, nobody would remember his name, if not so many people thought what he did was "good". It's easy to say now "Hitler is evil" - but what if there hadn't been a Hitler?
Then somebody else would have come and maybe have made even worse things.
It's a typically human habit to always search for somebody guilty - be that the Jews who were already accused of having brought the plague to early French kingdoms in the Middle-ages because it's so easy to accuse somebody who is the minority, or Hitler who now has to represent all the "evil-ness" that millions of people helped him to accomplish, or me for going kinda off-topic with this post - isn't that the same we are doing now? Looking for somebody guilty? Somebody worth being called evil?
Originally posted by jesusmonkey777
suicide in my oppinion is an evil .....thing only couse im very religious
Link> Urhm? The-forumite-formerly-known-as-El_Barto is evil?
Yessot> “Causing ruin, injury, or pain; harmful.” Then war is evil?
Syren> Ah, thank you. There’s another discussion around here, “does the end justify the means”, and I think this about good/evil is quite important in that case. The deeds and acts we do – AND the consequences are what are viewed as good/evil.
Force> Define “SIN”. Especially in the context of Yerssots dictionary definition.
BingaBonga> Does evil depends on whether or not the evil-doer takes pleasure in the act or not?
BF> But did Hitler INTEND to do evil? Hitler saw himself as the “saviour of Germany” and “The Arian Race”. Who is the most evil? Hitler or those who carried out his orders?
(You’re so smart, you probably know what I mean. If you need me to explain further, just let me know.)
Darth> But do you think “normal” people are capable of evil? Or is doing evil the same as being mentally ill?
And about “evil” thoughts. Isn’t it more so, that we have traditionally religious sinful thoughts? But not really evil thoughts, as evil is defined. A thought is not harmful in itself.
Hockey> Is suicide evil? You ARE harming someone, but that someone is yourself. Interesting question though.
Originally posted by The Omega
Yessot> “Causing ruin, injury, or pain; harmful.” Then war is evil?
you can go "philosophical" about how you personally see evil but not about the pure definition imo
"BF> But did Hitler INTEND to do evil? Hitler saw himself as the “saviour of Germany” and “The Arian Race”. Who is the most evil? Hitler or those who carried out his orders?"
I don't see how he couldn't intend to do evil when killing millions of people for no reason. "he saw himself as the saviour of Germany and the arian race." Good for him, so he was crazy, and evil. However, you do make a good point in saying that Hitlers followers were also evil. I think they were about equal.
"Was Hitler an evil person then? The personification of evil itself? Certainly not - he liked children, he liked animals, the problem is that he became mighty and that his conviction killed millions of people and ruined the lives of unnumbered others."
Oh big deal 'he liked puppies and babies, he can't be evil" what a crock of shit. The fact that he slaughtered and tortured 8 million people out of pure hatred amd that he killed anyone who openly disagreed with him kinda overpowers any decency he may have had. His acts make him the personification of evil.
😆 Joking guys 😉
Yerssot> I know you took the def from a dictionary. But by that exact definition war is the epitome of evil. Because war causes harm, ruin and pain in ample amounts.
BF> But did Hitler himself kill anyone? Did he EVER pull the trigger?
When he ordered homosexuals, socialists, Romanis, handicapped and Jews to be placed in concentration camps he THOUGHT he was saving Germany. He thought the end justified the means – as we discuss elsewhere. Just as the US is waging a war on terror, and lead wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, while people in the west believe the end justify the means.
People die in both cases.
You know that I’d just as quickly point to Hitler as anyone else around here as being the epitome of evil in the 20th Century along with Milosovich, Pol Pot, Stalin and other perpetrators of genocide. But they were the leaders. Hitler said “Do this”, and the Nazi’s went “Heil” and killed people.
So perhaps Nazism is a prime example of an evil thought. Thought being defined here as an ideology.
So what on Earth convinced most Germans that Hitlers “evil thoughts” were the right ones?
"BF> But did Hitler himself kill anyone? Did he EVER pull the trigger?"
No he didn't, but he's still ultimately responsible for the actions of his followers. Just like Charles Manson. Never actually killed anyone himself. Had his "family" do it. Still, he is too blame, as is Hitler.
I think it's unfair to compare Hitlers mass slaughter of everyone who disagreed with him to the current happenings in Iraq. I think what's going on now is much more justifiable and reasonable then what Hitler did. Right now over in Iraq, people aren't just killing any Iraqian. Only those who attack the soldiers first, or who they have reason to believe is part of the problem. This is opposed to Hitler, who killed EVERY Jew, homosexual, ect that he possibly could, rather they posed a threat to him or not.
Also, I think most Germans listened to Hitler because if they didn't they would be killed.
Originally posted by BackFire
"BF> But did Hitler himself kill anyone? Did he EVER pull the trigger?"No he didn't, but he's still ultimately responsible for the actions of his followers. Just like Charles Manson. Never actually killed anyone himself. Had his "family" do it. Still, he is too blame, as is Hitler.
I think it's unfair to compare Hitlers mass slaughter of everyone who disagreed with him to the current happenings in Iraq. I think what's going on now is much more justifiable and reasonable then what Hitler did. Right now over in Iraq, people aren't just killing any Iraqian. Only those who attack the soldiers first, or who they have reason to believe is part of the problem. This is opposed to Hitler, who killed EVERY Jew, homosexual, ect that he possibly could, rather they posed a threat to him or not.
Also, I think most Germans listened to Hitler because if they didn't they would be killed.
hitler didnt kill gays
BF> I agree, that the leader of a country must be held responsible for what he orders others to do. But with Charles Manson I’m not sure… How could he FORCE his “family” to do the horrible acts?
If I tell you to kill someone, and you do, am I responsible? No, right? So what kind of relation must exist before my “words” equal “responsibility”? (It’s late here, I hope I make sense).
The comparison was perhaps not the best, but I merely looked for a modern equivalent of “We believe we’re doing a good thing”.
The main point is that in both cases you deal with our dictionary-definition of evil: Causing harm, pain and injury, to achieve a perceived “good” goal. The fact that we even use words as good and evil show that not every human being is in agreement on what is a good end and good means.
“I think what's going on now is much more justifiable and reasonable then what Hitler did.”
So do I. But Hitler and the fanatical Nazis ALSO thought their acts were justifiable and reasonable.
“Right now over in Iraq, people aren't just killing any Iraqian. Only those who attack the soldiers first, or who they have reason to believe is part of the problem. This is opposed to Hitler, who killed EVERY Jew, homosexual, ect that he possibly could, rather they posed a threat to him or not.”
But isn’t that because – today – our ideologies are far more complex? In the middle-ages the Church burned WOMEN as witches. Easy enough to spot: A woman. The Nazis rounded up Jews, homosexuals and Romanis. Also fairly easy to find. Today we fight drugs, and terrorists, and SOME Muslims are seen as “evil”, some are not etc.
“Also, I think most Germans listened to Hitler because if they didn't they would be killed.”
But why did anyone start killing those who didn’t listen to Hitler in the first place?
Sword: http://www.deathcamps.info/ Yes, he did.