I think someone back in the first pages asked if there was anyone who had a death like experience. One of my friends dad who is in his late sixtys now and has a lot of health problems, namely he has a bad back so it's difficult for him to get up stairs and such. Well he had a heart attack awhile back, and was pronounced dead. I forget how long he was dead, but it was longer then the time alloted for the brain to survive without oxygen. Anyway, he remembers that he was in a place where it was very bright (not one single bright light to follow), and I won't go into describing the place it'd take too long. Anyway, he sat down on a bench and someone approached him and sat down beside him. This person knew everything he'd ever done and spoke to him about things only he knew about. He didn't need to ask him about God or heaven because while he was there, he knew it to be true. When the person finished talking to him, his heart began to beat and was revived without any machines. The funny thing about it was, the whole time he was there he didn't feel any pain from his health problems. He said he felt like a twenty year old again.
For whoever asked for an example, there ya go.
Originally posted by Asami
Some people who lose their heartbeat and get revived often say the last thing they saw was a white light - that's a medical issue, its to do with a part of the brain where the last thing we see is a bright light before we shut down.
Asami, you have raised an interesting issure here. I have never heard before of the 'bright light' being a consequence of the brain's functioning before our life ceases, but it is something I will look into, I have never considered it from that aspect before.
I mean not to criticise, but what leads me to believe that you may be wrong on this one is the fact that so many people who tell of this light also tell of a voice telling them that it isn;t their time yet, that they will be returning to earth.
However, I do honestly believe that you are on the right lines when you say that this image is related, in some way, to the brain....
All of our lives, we are raised with the concept of heaven and hell. It doesn't matter who you are...what creed, colour, religion - at some point you will have become familiar with the concept that when you die, you go to either heaven or hell. Whether or not you choose to believe that is a seperate issue.
But think about this. Unless you are decapitated, one of the very last bodily organs to remain functioning is going to be your brain. Your heart may have stopped, but there will still be those last dregs of blood pumping around your body as a result of your hearts last attempts. That blood will still be cycling around the body for a short while, which means that the brain can keep going for just that little bit longer.
So perhaps, just perhaps, people who have had near death encounters haven't actually encountered what they thought themselves to have. Perhpas what they really saw was merely a fabrication of the concept they have been believeing their whole life - they have been believing all their lives that when you die, you go drifting off towards this bright light.
Well, with the brain still functioning, that is perhaps the image that the brain generates on its dying legs. The brain believes that that is what is supposed to happen next, and so it generates this image of travelling towards a nice, warm, bright light.
It's a difficult concept to grasp, but think about it....
That's very interesting Der Soldat, sort of like how dreams work and how their fabrications of our conscience, maybe the bright light is a result of, like you were saying, the idea burned into our conscience that there's a heaven and hell. I don't know much about dreams and stuff like that, if anyone has any insight on that it'd be great.
Originally posted by VallejoKid707
Re-Incarnation is possible. Heaven is possible. Or simply the end is possible.*Going a little off-topic* Once I went on a website to see who I was in my past life and I was a woman!
I went to a web site about my past life turns out I was am female (and I still am).....but I lived in the 14th century and was a Chemist.
the whole dream interruption was made famous by my boy Sigmund Freud (god rest your soul sigmund).....basically dreams are from the Unconscious, and are our deepest darkest desires. and sometimes are thoughts and feelings are hidden there too, mostly thoughts that if we were to think about it in every day life it would cause depression. its basic Psychology really,....if you want to know your dream interruption or if a certain part of your dream stands out from the rest go to the website www.dreammoods.com there is a lot of dream interruption there. and if you need me to explain more about dreams and the sleep cycle pm, I know alot of info. I took psychology in school and got good grades! and next year I'm taking Psychology college prep....I will be glad to answer any questions on the lines of psychology and even if it is not about Psychology I will still try to help.
I believe when you die you either go to heaven or hell, and i dont wanna go to hell NOPE NOPE NOPE, i wanna go to heaben and meet all my family members and friends...
I suppose reincarnation is posible, and HOPE its possible for me as well, living another life would be good, so basically when you grow old and get ready to die, you dont know where your going or whats going to happen.But if im reincarnated, i wish to come back as a new species in the year 3000, as like...something like a monkey squirrel or something LMAO jk..but it would be awesome to come back around year 3000, no telling what technologies and advances and priveledges we will have then. *sry a little bit off subject, i suppose it-was*
The first stage of the dreaming is just the process of you dealing with and looking over the events of the day and what emotional/energetical reactions you had to it. The language of dreams in cybernetic pictographs, so basically an idea or emotion takes form. eg: a cat in a dream stereotypically means independence. When you dream you shift awareness. Look at it as levels of energy. The daily conscious mind works on alphi brain waves that vibrate at a certain level. When we dream we shift from alpha brain waves to Theta. Ok so the physical brain can hold a certain level of electrical charge, a level of vibrational energy. If we were to increase the energy level of our thinking beyond the physical brains energy capacity our awareness would have to shift from the physical mind to an energetical mind. eg: you don't have a physical body in dreams, you don't have a physical brain translating elec|rical charge you're just expanded awareness of energy with the will to form it.(The will is understanding the events of the day and the form is what you see and do. To relate that to death, while we still have a physical body you'll translate and feel that energy daily through dreaming. When we die we lose the physical attachment. We become the awareness of not a day's worth of energy but a life worth of energy. And like someone posted a while back you'll find yourself somewhere having the 'dream of your life'. Guides are there to steady you long enough that you can reflect and to point you in the right direction when you're finished doing so.
Tazman> do you have a specific question about dreams...Ask away and I'll try to answer as best I can.
Wow, thanks raven guardia and peloquin. You've both done your research, and that's very fascinating. Actually, I'll see if I can get a thread going on that, it'd be interesting to see what kinds of dreams people have had and have some one be able to give some sort of scientific reason for it. This is kinda off the topic in this thread. Thanks again.
I posted a new thread in the OTF about dreams.
A pink panda flies you to a field of flowers and when you get there... The soulmate of your dreams (the one who is perfect for you) is waiting there... And has been all his/her life. Because, you see, they had never been born. They were all the abortioned children that grew up waiting for the one they were meant to grow old with.
Yes, my imagination is a bit too much... oh well.
The only way to Heaven is through Christ.
If you guys want to become a Christian, go to thepassion . da . ru
Scroll down the page and it will tell you how to become a Christian. Also, watch the intro and then click on "Learn more about Jesus"
If you want some proof that God exists, find some Creation videos. You can probably find them at a Christian bookstore.
JESUS CHRIST RULES!!!!!!
Although, I don't know if anything is more proof than just looking around at the world. The theory that evolution is how everything was made is RIDICULOUS!!!!!
EVERYTHING has a creator. A hammer, a house, a car. Evolution is impossible and no one can prove it. We were created by God!! Evoltionists continue to prove themselves wrong, and many have become Christians.
Originally posted by Der Soldat
Asami, you have raised an interesting issure here. I have never heard before of the 'bright light' being a consequence of the brain's functioning before our life ceases, but it is something I will look into, I have never considered it from that aspect before.
I mean not to criticise, but what leads me to believe that you may be wrong on this one is the fact that so many people who tell of this light also tell of a voice telling them that it isn;t their time yet, that they will be returning to earth.
However, I do honestly believe that you are on the right lines when you say that this image is related, in some way, to the brain....
I am all for that thumbs up 馃槈
I may have been watching Holby City/ER/Casualty a bit much, but about when people hear the time, perhaps its when the doctors pronounce them dead?!
I might not be entirely correct with the brain/light issue as I've only covered it briefly but I do think that it is a possibility.
As for heaven/hell, I'm a non-believer. However if it was proven that heave/hell does exist, I'll happily accept it, as it will most definitely be a pleasant suprise to me. But then I won't all of a sudden change into the good samaritan to work my way to heaven as that would just then be self interest. I'll just carry on the way I always was - maybe wonder where I'd go.
I'll recommend a book, maybe I should stick this in the book forum too, but its by Dr Brian Weiss called Many Lives Many Masters, a story about his experiences as a psychiatrist disovering the past life of a patient through hypnosis. A great read and makes one wonder - a must for believers of reincarnation.