i have witnessed these animal slaughters myself. i used to live next to a slaughter house fro pigs (the smell isn't the greatest, lemme tell you that), and in the same neighborhood, there is one for cows. i have no problem with that. but when you start doing that sh!t to people, F*CK NO! cannibalism? that's all you, man...
"not if its done humanitarily without pain, and its well-treated until it is killed. A cow in the wild doesn't live very long, and can starve do death in winter, or catch a disease. A cow on a farm also doesn't live very long, but it gets fed and cared for by the farmer, who will willingly pay for a vet when it is ill."
There comes a time when the line between treating an animal such as a cow how it deserves to be treated and pampering that animal, is broken. I personally think some of the stuff people do to animals is filthy, yes it is. It's a coincidence that alot of these are cute and cuddly though. If it was a snake, even if you still disagreed, it wouldn't be with such vehement nature as if it was a cat or a dog.
Some animals aren't our equal and don't deserve to be treated as such. Treated fairly, yes. Pampered? No.
Phoenix, you said you'd volunteer your kids and yourself for testing? Well there are plenty of places to do so. Why not do it? If your kid was laying on a table next to a rabbit and they said "We're gonna squirt this shampoo in the rabbit's eyes to see if it damages eyes badly" would you say "That's not fair, do it on my kid"? No you wouldn't and you're a liar if you claim otherwise. By your rationale, if I were to raise a cow completely pampered and treated awesome, then killed it and served it up to you then it would be ok to eat? They die anyway. Some of them are born to be killed for our food. So how they're treated inbetween isn't totally important. Cows that live in farms or green areas by themselves are doing no harm and don't need to be tortured and shit. Cows born for the purpose of being killed at some point are gonna be KILLED anyway. Sure, torturing them is lame but it's a lot worse than grabbing a whale out of the sea and killing it for a quarter of it's body to make a handbag or what not.
Some people turn Veggie just coz they don't really like the idea of eating flesh or animal meat. That's fine. But it's whiny people like you who really annoy me.
Personally I don't think there's anything wrong with testing on humans. If anything it's better. Animals in general know nothing of humanity or bitter mankind. They just live. We're the one's who are the idiots. So squirt shampoo in a mans eyes, I don't give a crap. Personally I don't care if they do it to animals either, coz I don't care about it in general. Hence why I don't volunteer.
If all of you righteous protesting vegetarians are such crusaders for these animals, stop them having to go through it and lay yourself out on the damn table. They wanna find out if these products damage humans so lets test em on humans.
"So why don't you volunteer Alpha?" Coz I'm not the one bitching about it.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I don't give a crap. Personally I don't care if they do it to animals either, coz I don't care about it in general.
That's why i'm vegetarian, because I love being in opposition to people who simply don't care and don't think.
I love the smell of tofu in the morning!
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I personally think some of the stuff people do to animals is filthy, yes it is. It's a coincidence that alot of these are cute and cuddly though. If it was a snake, even if you still disagreed, it wouldn't be with such vehement nature as if it was a cat or a dog.
i actually care about all animals. i shout at my brothers if they step on an ant even, so don't have a go at me about not treating animals fairly. oh, and just so you know, i think snakes are beautiful animals.
scar, in the video there is -
- a bird getting it's beak clipped
- birds who can hardly move getting hit with sticks
- birds being strung up by their feet and thrown around
- a cow having a burning hot brand pressed onto their face
- a cow being strung up by it's feet with the blood running into a huge tray...thing
- pigs being hit with a stick to the point they can't move
- a pig being thrown out of a van, just lying in the mud.
- a pig who can't walk, dragging itself along the floor
can anyone else add to that? aww crap now i feel ill again...and i'm crying. crybaby
"That's why i'm vegetarian, because I love being in opposition to people who simply don't care and don't think."
Tsk tsk. Never make assumptions. I don't care about this BECAUSE I think. Not because I don't. Too quick to jump in with both feet. Gets you nowhere.
"i actually care about all animals. i shout at my brothers if they step on an ant even, so don't have a go at me about not treating animals fairly. oh, and just so you know, i think snakes are beautiful animals."
You moan at your brothers.........for stepping on ants? For crying out loud. That's just sad. Really. Like you walk around staring at the floor. Well......if you do that's even worse.
"- a bird getting it's beak clipped
- birds who can hardly move getting hit with sticks
- birds being strung up by their feet and thrown around
- a cow having a burning hot brand pressed onto their face
- a cow being strung up by it's feet with the blood running into a huge tray...thing
- pigs being hit with a stick to the point they can't move
- a pig being thrown out of a van, just lying in the mud.
- a pig who can't walk, dragging itself along the floor"
-What type of bird and for what reason do they clip it's beak?
-This sounds quite lame admittedly.
-Dead birds or birds that are still alive?
-Cows get branded all the time. Facial branding is a bit much but it's not uncommon.
-Dead cow? Or was it alive.
-This also sounds lame.
-This is nothing that doesn't happen anyway. Pigs always roll around in their own filth and mud.
-Pigs due to their severe weight in some cases have no choice but to drag themselves along.
You mention the mud as if it makes it worse. Pigs live in mud.
God you people are whiners.
-AC
My thoughts exactly. Vegetarians are whiners. Kind of like emo kids.
Crying if someone steps on an ant is really stupid. Ever stick around for a bit after an ant is killed? The dying ant secretes a chemical that attracts other ants of it's colony. Soon there are about 200 ants crawling around to see what the hell happened. It used to happen when I would kill an ant inside my tent when I went camping. I had to murder nearly an entire colony for the f*ckers to stop coming.The point is that there are way to many ants to whine over one being killed.
I don't see what the problem is if the animal will be consumed. If the animal is wasted, like it's just killed for fun, then that's not cool. Yet if the animal will be eatenwhat the hell is the big deal? You know, people all over the world still get tortured, what about forming organizations for them?
That's what I mean. It's a bit shit torturing animals anyway just because you can, wont deny it.
But if they are born for the sole purpose of being food then what happens to them inbetween birth and death is a small deal considering WHY they are alive anyway.
People are to quick to open their big yap.
-AC