John Kerry

Originally posted by hunchy
Kerry believed the tax cut would do little to stimulate the economy, considering the deficit and the war in Iraq.

so in other words.....HE WAS RIGHT!!!!!!! the bill passed and our economy is in the crapper

Originally posted by hunchy
Flip: In October 2002, Kerry voted for the Iraq war resolution sought by Bush. Kerry voted against an alternative that would have authorized force only if the U.N. Security Council sanctioned it. The resolution Kerry supported stated, "The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to … defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq."

Flop: Soon after voting for the resolution, Kerry expressed dismay over the march to war. He said he wouldn't "support the president to proceed unilaterally" and consistently criticized administration policy leading up to the invasion.

Kerry often said Iraq was a looming threat that had to be dealt with. He believed an invasion, done properly, would be sound policy. He insisted that Bush should "exhaust all possible remedies" to avert unilateral war, but he also said, "American security must never be ceded to any institution or to another institution's decision." That was why he voted against the alternative Iraq resolution. In the days leading up to the war, Kerry was unclear as to whether he would support an invasion without a U.N. Security Council resolution.

kerry was operating under the assumption that his commander in chief and secretary of defense were being HONEST, as they said they were 100% certain that saddam hussain had weapons of mass distruction including a nuclear program. they said they were 100% certain, they later admit they were not....THEY LIED

Woah...woah...woah...I believe it is you that is getting hostile my friend...remember opinions...I think that Bush received information that told him about Saddam and weapons of mass destruction. He was acting on that information because he was told it was true, therefore it was not a lie.

and different people say different things about our economy...so it depends on who you ask.

no, unemployment rates are not subject to opinion.

bush said he was 100% certain powell said he was 100% certain
that means they lied. there was a shadow of a doubt, they denied it, they lied...how much more simple can it be?

and im not being hostile.
in fact i just reviewed my posts, and fail to find any hostility.

if you cant take the heat......

Bush had received information that said it was 100% sure, so he followed it, therefore he did not lie...he did not know the information was false...that would be the only case in which he would have lied. And oh I can take the heat, I just thought after your little deal on the Star Wars forums that you couldn't take criticizm.

and funny how you don't even really like Kerry yet your voting for him because you don't like Bush...

Also, Saddam could have given the weapons off to Libya or other places. He could have gotten rid of it before we came in very easily. There is still no proof that there was in fact no weapons...

And yes, Kerry is a good debater and good at speeches...and yes Bush fumbles over his words sometimes, because he is not so good at speeches. However, I believe Kerry is a flip-flopper and speeches aren't all that matter...its just politics...I think Bush says what he's gonna do and means it. I would rather have a President that did that, rather than didn't know what he truly wanted and yet gave good speeches.

dont pollute this forum with your vendetta.
you want to talk politics? or play forum games....

anyway...

as commander in chief, he has responsability for his decisions.
bush thinks he can pass the buck and blame someone elses intelligence.
well then who's at the wheel? this mysterious "they" it seems.

you say "Bush had received information that said it was 100% sure"
WHAT or WHO said it was 100% true, and how is it that we could not
investigate and gather our own intelligence to prove this "100% certain"

bush just took their word for it, stated it as fact, and when asked about it, he simply said "trust me". he fed this crap to us with an "a little birdie told me" mentallity, for the so called sake of national security.well he lied. national security was not at stake, it was not even our own intelligence. he needed a reason to push for war. the plan was attack iraq, from the second he was sworn in.

Okay, your friend at school comes to you with intelligence that he's gathered (we have authorities for doing so its called the FBI, CIA, etc...its not like Bush got the intelligence off the internet from Powell) that says that this building in town is going to blow you. And he says that the intelligence agencies have said that they are 100% sure of this. What are you gonna do? Not do anything and let the bomb explode? Or act on it, because they have said that they are 100% sure. I would surely act on it. You ask about this "they"...It's not like we know every position there is out there...Like I said we have people that work for our national intelligence and that is where the information probably came from.

Dude, what do you mean? I have been debating politics...not playing forum games...Please explain yourself...You jump to conclusions of things that I have not even done.

dont pollute this forum with your vendetta.
you want to talk politics? or play forum games....

perhaps i was not clear.

bush is commander in chief

he commands the FBI

he commands the CIA

he commands etc.

you assume that he has no responsability
for the validation of intelligence. he does.

not to mention that he got his intelligence from britain, not america.
it was his job to investigate, and he didnt.

Originally posted by hunchy
Dude, what do you mean? I have been debating politics...not playing forum games...Please explain yourself...You jump to conclusions of things that I have not even done.

Originally posted by hunchy
"I just thought after your little deal on the Star Wars forums that you couldn't take criticizm [/B]

now i would just leave it at that.
the mods frequent this forum far more than SW3 and
i doubt they would take kindly to this
let it go

You are the type of person that assumes the President does and oversees EVERYTHING that goes on. I told you, he recieved information that said Saddam had weapons of mass destruction, do you think you have time to just sit around and investigate...while if he does have weapons, then you'll give him perfect time to use them. Secondly, why do people like you think that Bush wanted to go to war with Iraq as soon as he got into office?

we're dancing in a circle now

bush recieved intelligence from britain.
he then turned around and stated it as fact.
so i suppose its actually tony blair who is
commander in chief?

why bush went to war? 2 reasons

1-saddam attempted an assassination of bush sr.
2-war profiteering though haliburton

and while we are talking war,
why did bush state that he didnt care where osama was hiding?
why did he state that bin laden was not a priority, at the same time he was pursuing saddam hussein? shall i repost the quote?

why is the prick that murdered 3000+ people just 50 miles away from me not a priority...until NOW? 3 years later...election time? why?

Originally posted by BackFire the great Yeah, the whole "Flip flop" thing is dumb too. Every president "flip flops" at soem point. Everyone changes their mind, it's called being human.

It's for this reason that whenever I hear someone say "Kerry is a flip flopper" as the primary reason as to why he shouldn't be president I instantly labe him a moron in my mind and disregaurd whatever else they have to say.

Originally posted by hunchy Kerry's flip flops

Originally posted by hunchy I believe Kerry is a flip-flopper

Woopsy, bye bye credability.

BUSH WANTS OSAMA DEAD OR ALIVE... "I want justice. And there's an old poster out West, I recall, that says, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive.'" [President Bush, on Osama Bin Laden, 09/17/01]

...BUSH DOESN'T CARE ABOUT OSAMA "I don't know where he is.You know, I just don't spend that much time on him... I truly am not that concerned about him."[President Bush, Press Conference, 3/13/02]

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BUSH OPPOSES CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION... "President Bush took a few minutes during his trip to Europe Thursday to voice his opposition to establishing a special commission to probe how the government dealt with terror warnings before Sept. 11." [CBS News, 5/23/02]

...BUSH SUPPORTS CREATION OF INDEPENDENT 9/11 COMMISSION "President Bush said today he now supports establishing an independent commission to investigate the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks." [ABC News, 09/20/02]

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BUSH SAYS IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEEN AL QAEDA AND SADDAM... "You can't distinguish between al Qaeda and Saddam when you talk about the war on terror." [President Bush, 9/25/02]

...BUSH SAYS SADDAM HAD NO ROLE IN AL QAEDA PLOT "We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved in Sept. 11." [President Bush, 9/17/03]

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and what does bush do at the debate?
connects saddam hussein with the 911 attacks.
you know when they say "if you tell a lie for long enough,
you will start to believe it"? very true indeed

So your one of those people that believe in all those conspiracies about my Bush went to war. I don't think I can argue with you on that...that's your own personal opinion that is far beyond me. Bush received information from Britian that said it was 100% sure that Saddam had weapons...Can I point that out any more clearer. He accepted them...thus he was not lying, and he was acting on intelligence that said it was right. We trusted Britian with it. Osama Bin Laden has and is on the Top Wanted terrorists...he is #1 in fact...we have been searching for him for a long time. We've been hunting him down, way before this election season...At the time, 2002, when Bush said that....we were looking into Saddam because we thought he actually had weapons...Osama Bin Laden was matermining attacks, yes...but if Saddam actually had weapons that is worse...and yes, I think Osama Bin Laden should be a major priority...It's not like I agree with EVERYTHING Bush has done. I do have my own opinions...

*ahem* read above bush quote on osama
im going to bed

That's what happens when we listen to Britain instead of the UN inspectors that said "There are no bombs that we can find". Of course, Bush calls these "Failed inspections" because they turned up no bombs of any sort. I guess that means this was a failed war, seeing as the war has turned up exactly ZERO weapons of mass destruction. But, oh wait, as soon as Bush realized that WMD's were nowhere to be found, he changed the reasoning of being their from "taking away WMD's" to "Removing Saddam and dealing with 'evil doers'". FLIP FLOP!!!!!