Eowyn and Wormtongue

Started by Smodden3 pages

Originally posted by Discos
if he wasnt so evil am sure Wormtongue would have been some drunk college's chick last resort.

I felt sorry for him when Eomer held him and he stared at Eowyn - but then he got Eomer restrained and thats a nono in my books.

In conclusion NO I certainly couldnt see that happening and wouldnt want to - I mean come on, faramir or Wormtongue?

I don't think that ppl are saying worntongue is beter than faramir or he's even another choice....but I DO think that wormtonuge felt strongly for Eowen...and did love her even if it was in a twisted sort of way...

and great poem as usual s-b...🙂 You realy captured grima's emotions...you trapped some wild thing, some wretched wiked horible pain of grima...Your briliant.

kwl... but very true...

With black clothes and dark, lank hair in place that could so easily peg him as the Snidely Whiplash of Rohan, Grima goes on to create a soul under those robes. After Éomer throws him against the pillar and says he's been watching Gríma eyeing Éowyn, the lady in question walks by and the close-up on Grima shows not vile lust, but pathetic longing. The preceding shot of Éowyn, a beautiful slow turn as she looks at him with loathing in her eyes before stalking off, is as though we are looking at her through his eyes. We see the beauty that compels him, but we also see the hatred he knows she feels for him.

This rebuff may come into play in the next scene with Gríma in which he comes upon Éowyn beside Theodred's deathbed. He taunts her with her loneliness and unprotected state now that Éomer has been banished. It's a nasty little speech that takes a different turn when he speaks of her beauty, his fingers brushing her hair and his hand lingering on her neck and throat while staring at her intently, as though trying to bend her will to his. When I saw it, my thought was that Gríma obviously isn't the sort who knows how to woo fair maiden. He only knows how to manipulate and intimidate, and it was a botched attempt at persuasive coercion. Yes, his attitude is abhorrent, but when she says "Your words are poison!" and storms out, he looks down at his hand that had just recently touched her. Perhaps he regrets what he just did? Or he probably couldn't just believe that he had actually touched Eowyn?The course of the conversation indicated to me that he is torn between wanting to punish her for hating him, and wanting her to accept him and return some of his affection - to gain some affection and acceptance, for he has none to call his own. Does the loneliness he speak of come from his own experience? What does he do and think about in the bitter watches of the night?

Grima was a more complex character than many give him credit for, as were most of Tolkien's characters. As for the tear upon seeing the Uruk-Hai army, when I watch this part I always feel that Grima was himself deceived by Saruman even as he was deceiving Theoden. There is no basis for this, but in my mind it always seemed that Grima may have thought that Saruman was going to take over Rohan, not destroy it entirely. I think it very sad, indeed that at the end, just when he had finally freed himself from Saruman (he was, after all in a way enslaved by Saruman) he was quickly killed. I just cannot bring myself to hate this character, no matter what he had done, because he was so pitiful. People feel very sorry for Gollum, but seem to feel no pity for poor Grima, who had been ensnared, in all probability, by Saruman's powerful voice and, so enslaved. He must have been very desperate to attain that which he could get no other way. He brooded upon it, and then a way was offered by Saruman. He took it. I feel a lot more sympathy towards him, perhaps as much as I have for Gollum, or even more.

Who could not pity Gríma's utter inability to make peace with Théoden and to take part in his people's finest hour; his self-imposed exile with a character who holds him in contempt?

Just my thoughts, sorry for rambling. 🙁

Originally posted by Smodden

and great poem as usual s-b...🙂 You realy captured grima's emotions...you trapped some wild thing, some wretched wiked horible pain of grima...Your briliant.

Thank you, sir. 😄

cry as usually an absolutely incredibly brilliant post, Shad... actually imo one of your best cry

Each word so true... if I read it once again, Gríma will probably be my favourite character 😖
I feel so sorry for him... and regret that I didn't do that earlier... I kinda never really registered his existence, he is so overlooked, I hardly ever remember him when I think of the different characters in LoTR... I guess that changed now... thank you, Shadowy 😊

Originally posted by shadowy_blue
What does he do and think about in the bitter watches of the night?

Best sentence cry

Indeed.cry

LOL..thanks Exa. 🙂

Smodden...😄

oh yes smodden I have no question that Grima did infact love Eowyn,

🙂.....

lady grim ur on a roll

me....lol

Wormtongue + Eowyn...
tv_horror yucky

Re: Eowyn and Wormtongue

Originally posted by Greenleaf_luver
I cannot see Eowyn and Wormtongue together, but some people do. Lots of people think they flirt too. What is your opinion?kicking

sure, why not. pity booty.

i dont see them together either to me its one side realtionship really wormtongue 'adores' eowyn on the other hand eowyn despizes wormtongue...