Originally posted by neo_dragon
hey metamorphosis,
while you were mentioning the countless pagan/christian messianic similarities, i'm surprised you failed to mention krishna, son of vishnu whom secular scholars use as the primary basis for their theories of christianity's origins.
Obviously you saw it, but I just wanted to mention that Krishna is only a portion of the diety that has become what we know Jesus to be today. While I do believe Jesus existed, I do not believe what the Bible tells me about him, for obvious reasons.
Oh. and the name is MetamorphIsis, like the egyption god Isis. Isis was the wife of Osiris (Hmm matrix connection by chance? 😛), goddess of fertility, and healer. Just a little art history insight for those interested: Isis's male counter part was the God Amon. (See previous comments in this thread) who was the male God of Fertility, among other things. Isis's pictogram was known as L'isa: 5pts to anyone who can tell me who Amon L'isa is and what their secret is! LoL
I purposefully spelled my handle wrong for anti-conformity issues, symbolistic issues, and the like. Kudos to anyone who can find all the possible Matrix connections...
Oh - and I would like to correct a previous post. I previously stated that Mary Magdeline was from the House of David - My memory crossed paths, she was from the House of Benjamin.
And another 5pts to whoever can tell me about the word Sangreal. I'll give you a hint: The Sangreal documents are lost documents that were left out of the Bible which talk about the royal bloodline of Jesus and Mary, and the Merovingian kings. But what is "Sangreal"?? 😱
Actually i believe that the Mero was a former One. The reason because if you look at Reloaded again, look at the clothes that he is wearing in the Restaurant, then look at the clothes that Neo is wearing in Mobil Avenue in Revolutions and you'll find that they are identical.
When the One is taken out of the specific Matrix that created him then he looks like The Mero, remember that Mobil Avenue was CREATED by the Train Man to smuggle programs out of the Matrix. Mero and Persephone both refer to 'when they first came here', implying that they came from somewhere else and that this was not their original Matrix. "They come from a much older version of the Matrix".
The Architect also said that when he first created the Matrix it failed because people would not accept the program. If the One had already been created and was smuggled out before the Matrix was changed he would therefore be the Mero.
But then, was he once human and if so "what happened to his body?" (Quoting the film Brazil).
Well Revolutions showed us that teh One can seperate his mind from his body without jacking in, of course when he did he ended up in Mobil Avenue looking like Mero.
First - The clothes do not make the man! It's like saying "I wear all black, I must be Neo.."
Second, all the previous anomalies never reached the point to which their minds had a chance to seperate from their bodies. The Architect all but says that all the other 5 anomalies chose the door to the right, "which leads to the source and the salvation of Zion." Or did you miss this quote of the Architects:
Your 5 predecessors were by design based on a similar predication a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species facilitating the function of the One.
We also know that the Body and the Mind are unified - meaning one cannot live without the other (oops...sorry Korri - this is more evidence that Neo's dead. 🙁 ) So Neo being jacked in has nothing to do with the Mero being an anomaly or not. Neo was the first anomaly to actually touch the source in that way - we know this because of this part of Neo's convo with the Oracle in Revolutions:
Oracle: The power of the one extends beyond this world. It reaches from here, all the way back to where you came from.Neo: Where?
Oracle: The source. That's what you felt when you touched those sentinels, but you weren't ready for it. You should be dead, but apparently you weren't ready for that either.
Meaning all anomalies who chose the right door leading to the source were killed through their connection with the mainframe because such connection by means of the Architect would undoubtedly allow for a means of altering the code.
The Architect said people rejected the programming, yes, but he also said that this was BEFORE the advent of the anomaly. We know this because the 1st version was designed to be a utopia - but people were given no choice but to accept the program, the second version was designed on human history, but again, it was still designed to give them no choice but to accept the program. It wasn't until the third version that the "systemic anomaly" emerged as the result of an unbalanced equation created by Choice. Therefore, the theory of smuggling out the anomaly from a previous version of the Matrix has several problems, other than the hundreds of years that have passed - killing his body and, thus, his mind, there was no anomaly to smuggle out to begin with.
And the comments made by the Mero and Persephone are simply stating that they came to the Matrix from another place - like the Machine Mainframe (which is NOT the matrix).
You really should read my other posts in this thread, I have really not heard anything that would go against my theory that the Mero is a program designed to control choice that failed and is now exhiled in the Matrix. (That's the ultra simple single statement version of my theory)
I do not believe in chance. When I see that Neo (in Mobil Avenue and when he went to see the Oracle in Revolutions) was dressed identically to the Mero (in Reloaded at his restaurant on FLOOR 101), I do not see coincidence, I see Providence, I see purpose.
As I have said elsewhere, if Smith the Anti-One could become human (Bane) couldn't the One become a program?
When Neo was released from Mobil Avenue, Link could not recognise him, he had no powers hence he couldn't fly and had to ride in the car like the rest of the humans.
We saw during the conversation with Mero in the restaurant in Reloaded that the Mero was obsessed with getting power and more power which he believed was information, as if he was constantly trying to get something back that he had lost. Again we see this in Revolutions when in his club he talked about wanting the eyes of the Oracle since he first came here. The sight, which the Oracle said that she shared with Neo in Relaoded.
Then there's Peresphone, who said that when they first came here he (the Mero) was different he was like Neo.
I believe not only that Mero was a former anomaly i believe that he was the first and that he was the Wachi Bros representation of Adam.
I think another theory for why they made him French was for the reason that the Americans have always seen the French as the ones we took Super Power status from after World War 1 and they have always envied us for that and want it back (us being the Americans).
First off, nice one-liners you've got there. They won't help your argument though. One word: over-analyzation. Why couldn't Neo become a program? Quite simple really: he's human. The dress really doesn't have anything to do with each other; except they're both in the Matrix and both have a purpose.
If you were in the Matrix, could you just suddenly become a program through the events that Neo went through? I think not. Sure, he may have a program embedded within him, but that doesn't make him any less human. Link couldn't recognize him because Neo wasn't plugged into the Matrix, and with Smith rampaging around creating clones left and right, their presence cancelled each other out, which is why when the Logos was found, the Matrix feed was messed up; the equation was unbalanced, there was only a negative, no positive.
And so what if he was riding in a car? With everything he'd been through, would he really rather fly somewhere than be with Trinity, Seraph, and Morpheus? In Reloaded he flew because everyone else had a way out; here they were his way out. He definetly had powers, why wouldn't he? He wasn't in Mobile Ave. anymore.
as if he was constantly trying to get something back that he had lost.
Persephone meant her statement in the sense that Neo and the Merv were both ambitious, and had a purpose to do something, but now that the Merv was in exile, he had no purpose, but Neo does because he's the One.
The Merv was a program to control choice, as Metamorphisis previously stated. Your religious interpretation of the Matrix Trilogy seems to be a bit out of tune, my young Padawan. If the Merv was Adam then Persephone was Eve, and that just isn't true.
And finally, you're from the UK. How would you know what Americans would see the rest of the world as? And when does anyone say that they envy it? You generalize way too much, my friend. Your theories are severly flawed, a shame you cannot see this. I suggest you read Metamorphisis's posts again, and go to a few more threads in this forum; yo haven't been around long enough to see this issue debated to death, and also proved drastically wrong.