Originally posted by RaventheOnly
Dude he isn't 😂 he tries way to hard to be 😂personally its wrong 😬 and relgiously its Very wrong.
The key word in your post are "PERSONALLY" and "RELIGIOUSLY". These are your opinions. And that's fine. But the moment you support me or any other gay person having less rights than you because you're straight and your opinion of God says it's wrong, then you cross a line that makes you "WRONG".
Have all the opinions you want, but when they start to effect my life, they're no longer only an opinion.
People who think it's funny when a gay couple gets beaten because they have the nerve to go out in public should be beaten themselves.(By the way, I'm not saying you support beating anyone) Like I said in my first post, if religion is the crutch you want to use to condemn ANYONE, then the whole world is wasting their time trying to convince you (or anyone else that uses religion as a crutch) that there is room for anyone else.
It's kind of like arguing the benefits of democracy with a communist. They just don't get it.
Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
Not all gay men speak with a lisp or pluck their eyebrows. Just like everyone, the guys on Queer Eye have an opinion; everyone is entitled to their opinion. You can agree with that opinion or not. Me, yeah I shop at Express and Banana Republic. I also change my own oil and collect Star Wars figures. I’ve never plucked my eyebrows and I dress like a lot of other gay men. (not when I’m changing my oil…which I HATE to do…in fact it’s the only thing besides where to put the gas in that I DO know about cars) But, I have no problem with those that do. To say they give all gay men a bad name is kind of harsh. Unlike most gay men, I don’t have a lot of female friends. All my friends are guys, either straight or gay. And a lot of my gay male friends fit this description, and I would die to defend their right to be who they are….who is worth changing for? No one. Who is worth pretending for? No one. And the same with girls that like to fix cars and play football. They do those things because it makes them who they are.As for Queer Eye and shows like Queer As Folk, I don’t watch that trash. That does nothing but cause straight people like you to view us as some stereotype-fulfilling, circus act. That does nothing to help in equality. These straight guys go on Queer Eye for a reason. I prefer shows like Six Feet Under, where there are gay characters and gay themes, but they are not the point of the show. You can’t pick and choose who are acceptable human beings and who are not.
Originally posted by Royal Knight
I have to disagree with that link...It is the persons decision to dress and act the way they want...
If they are gay, straight, bi, whatever...
Just because I am gay, doesn't mean I act like a flamer...just my choice I guess
There is nothing wrong with people that act like that😛
Look defend and disagree all you want. If you want to know why gays have traditionally had a little difficulty "fitting in" in society...it's because of guys like Carson and Big Gay Al. The bright pink shirt wearing, wrist flailing, "oh no you didn't!" gays are the reason why all the less flambouyant gays are just now gaining a higher level of acceptance in society as oppose to say....5 years ago.
I'm not accusing either of you of being that sort, and I don't know why both of your posts defend who you are, because I at no point in time ever felt that you were that sort.
Do I have a big problem with people that act that way? NO, but it's a simple fact. Go out to a bar, act like a flamer...you're going to get sh!t from people. Is it fair? NO, but it's life...it's the way it is.
Silly sailor! 😛
Originally posted by Linkalicious
Look defend and disagree all you want. If you want to know why gays have traditionally had a little difficulty "fitting in" in society...it's because of guys like Carson and Big Gay Al. The bright pink shirt wearing, wrist flailing, "oh no you didn't!" gays are the reason why all the less flambouyant gays are just now gaining a higher level of acceptance in society as oppose to say....5 years ago.I'm not accusing either of you of being that sort, and I don't know why both of your posts defend who you are, because I at no point in time ever felt that you were that sort.
Do I have a big problem with people that act that way? NO, but it's a simple fact. Go out to a bar, act like a flamer...you're going to get sh!t from people. Is it fair? NO, but it's life...it's the way it is.
Silly sailor! 😛
Hey, I'm not attacking you man, really I'm not. I'm just saying that that's a cop out...not on your part, but in society. Because my friend Drew has a high pitched voice and talks like a stereotypical black woman doesn't mean he should be rejected by society. If he acts like a girl, then treat him like one...that's fine. But that certainly doesn't equate to beating someone...or them having less rights than the person you don't like them acting like.
I'm also not saying you have a problem with whispy gay men. I often times pick on them for having a more feminie personality. And to wrap it up...
I agree with your basic point......totally. But that doesn't mean they should stop being who they are. And I appreciate the fact that you agree with me.