What makes a Superhero a Superhero

Originally posted by Darth_Midal
Ok first of all a Super Hero is different from a Super Human Therefore No The Xmen are not Super human they are Super Heros They are the next step in Human Evelotion which makes them no longer Human Super man is a Super hero not Super human and Eddie Brock is not Super Human he is an ordinary guy with an Alien Suit The Suit is what possess the strength not Eddie brock Eddies strength is not SUPER he just works out a lot. Bat man is not a Super hero he is another guy that has lots and lots of money and entirely too much time on his hands to do all the martial arts training. If I had 30 years with nothing to do but travel the world and learn martial arts would that make me a Super hero not to mention the money which is immessurable and with that kind of money Tiny Tim could be a SUPER HERO if you class Batman as such (thank you for putting Tiny Tim in my head Darth Revan) 😈 😮‍💨 🤘

I will gladly correct you, ahem

THE SUIT BOOSTED EDDIE BROCK'S STREGNTH LEVEL SIGNIFACANTLY, HE COULD LIFT 700lb's BEFORE AUGMENTATION, NOW CAN LIFT 11 TON"S WITHOUT THE SYMBIOTE!!

any resource will back me up, as will any one with sense...screw it here strait from the MARVEL DIRECTORY

Strength Level: Venom possesses superhuman strength enabling him to lift (press) almost 11 tons.

Known Superhuman Powers: The alien costume, which has grafted itself to the nervous system of Eddie Brock, somehow absorbed the powers of Spider-Man during its brief symbiotic relationship with him. These powers have now been transferred to Brock, so long as he wears the costume. Brock had conditioned himself to lift (press) almost 700 lbs. Before he came into contact with the costume. Once they merged, the costume added Spider-Man’s superhuman strength to Brock’s vast human strength, making him more powerful than Spider-Man.

VENOMfan...

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't the symbiote a part of Eddie now? I thought it was a part of him... and can only be removed by Loud noises (and I think fire, or fire hurts him a lot)

Thus... isn't it the suit that gave Eddie the power? So... isn't it the suit?

the suit bonded with Eddie, but could be removed threw sufficent effort and they have been seperated a few time's, Venom primary weakness was sonic attack's but was also weak to fire((it's the other way for carnage)) yes the suit was what boosted his Strength but he was powerfull for a regular human to begin with, but after they first bonded even if you seperated Eddie from the Symbiote he possesed a spider strength, just the suit provided the other abilitie's, Wall crawling,Webbing,Agility,Reflex's((tho not spider-man calibur)) and his own type of spider-sense. tho this is the original Venom, not the Monster Venom that obsorbed Eddie and thus they truley became one entity.

more can be learned
http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/v/venom.htm
and
http://www.spiderfan.org/characters/venom.html

A superhero is someone who risks their own life to protect others against impossible odds, powers mean nothing they're just an aid. Batman and Ironman are superheroes because they prothect people they don't know for no other reason than they want to, sure Bats hates criminals because one killed his parents but it's his compassion that makes him don the batsuit and fight. He gets no pay and and usually takes critical injury. But he keeps fighting, that is the mark of a superhero the determination to fight when all hope is gone, and buddy Batman and Ironman are true superheroes

Originally posted by Cyclops
Read your statement one more time and think about it hard.

The reason I think the way I do is because you are all hailing people like Batman, Ironman, Punisher, etc. in the fashion you are, but what about the police officers that do the same thing on a daily basis? The only difference between the Cops and your 'Crime Fighters;'

By the way, Lobo, I am not mocking you. I actually got a chuckle out of that.

That is the impression I am getting from all of those who are posting. However, if you all feel that I am being narrowminded, lets forget about what I say and get back on topic.

[B] WHAT MAKES A SUPERHERO WORTHY OF THAT TITLE? [/B]

First of all police officers are very different from Batman, Ironman and the Punisher. They work for the goverment , get paid and go home.
Batman , Ironman and all the other superheroes you don't acknowledge as superheroes have their own heroic motivation and commit their own free time into saving the public from warped psychos.
They also train hard into making themselves above normal human standards, instead of just having a superpower bestowed onto them by some freak-unrealistic accidents.
Also I thought that to be acknowledged as a hero, never mind a super one - the general public have to consider them heroic. Now last time I checked everyone in the Spiderman universe generally hates him for one thing or another, mutants are considered vile scum in X-men.
But apart from the Punisher, Batman and Ironman are well respected and are considered to be heroic people because of their determination in bringing criminals to justice. Stan Lee just thought if he gave the majority of Marvel characters superpowers they would be superheroes, well he's soooooooo wrong.

Originally posted by Lord Ryugen
A superhero is someone who risks their own life to protect others against impossible odds, powers mean nothing they're just an aid. Batman and Ironman are superheroes because they prothect people they don't know for no other reason than they want to, sure Bats hates criminals because one killed his parents but it's his compassion that makes him don the batsuit and fight. He gets no pay and and usually takes critical injury. But he keeps fighting, that is the mark of a superhero the determination to fight when all hope is gone, and buddy Batman and Ironman are true superheroes

Damn right!!

Amen to that.

Cyclops: Batman may not be able to literally see in the dark without night vision, but he can fight someone blind. Obviously, he's not as good as Daredevil with his eyes closed, but because of his training and intuition, he can take down most non-superhuman opponents in pitch dark.

Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
First of all police officers are very different from Batman, Ironman and the Punisher. They work for the goverment , get paid and go home.
Batman , Ironman and all the other superheroes you don't acknowledge as superheroes have their own heroic motivation and commit their own free time into saving the public from warped psychos.
They also train hard into making themselves above normal human standards, instead of just having a superpower bestowed onto them by some freak-unrealistic accidents.
Also I thought that to be acknowledged as a hero, never mind a super one - the general public have to consider them heroic. Now last time I checked everyone in the Spiderman universe generally hates him for one thing or another, mutants are considered vile scum in X-men.
But apart from the Punisher, Batman and Ironman are well respected and are considered to be heroic people because of their determination in bringing criminals to justice. Stan Lee just thought if he gave the majority of Marvel characters superpowers they would be superheroes, well he's soooooooo wrong.

I see... so the fact that getting paid makes Policemen horrible people? As I am sure I have mentioned before, I am almost POSITIVE that a vast majority of police officers DO NOT get into that field for the money. I am sure they have the good motives that you speak so highly of... so where is the differentiation?

Spider-Man is so disliked in the Marvel Universe mainly because of J. J. (J. Jonah Jamison, if you did not know what I meant.) J. J. hates Spider-Man because of personal reasons. Apparently, wearing a mask makes you a bad person in his eyes. So, I am sure that if Batman was in the position that Spider-Man was, then he would be revered as a horrible person as well. (Lets do your homework before posting here)

Originally posted by Lord Ryugen
that is the mark of a superhero the determination to fight when all hope is gone, and buddy Batman and Ironman are true superheroes

Good point, but what about Police Officers? Do they not go back day after day?

Originally posted by Cyclops

Good point, but what about Police Officers? Do they not go back day after day?

But how many police officers, upon being crippled, would then risk their lives trying to rescue a kidnapping victim while still confined to a wheel-chair?

Batman has been crippled, brainwashed, and heavily addicted to a drug (Venom). He's seen one of his partners blown to pieces, another (Azrael) fatally shot, and another confined to a wheelchair for life. He's seen one of his friend go insane and murder thousands of people; he's actually died in the line of duty (Obsideon Age). But he's never stopped fighting, and he's never lossed hope in his cause. The level of dedication he shows is almost inconceivable--I doubt that any police officer can match it.

Police officers have determination, and I'm sure that many of them are good people. I certainly don't want to downplay them--but they're not superheroes.

wait i have it, MECHANDISEING!!! that's what make's superhero's a substantial profit!!..................no that's not it

Originally posted by VENOMfan
wait i have it, MECHANDISEING!!! that's what make's superhero's a substantial profit!!..................no that's not it

That is the funniest thing I have ever heard in my life! 😂 😆

Anyways, back on topic. (thanks for the breather though, VENOMfan)

I am sure there is a plethera of handicapped police officers. And I am sure that they are more then willing to do so. Perhaps because they do get known for doing such because they not wear a costume.

Alright, first off Batman is definetly a Superhero, not just anyone can be on the Justice League, also Iron Man is a Superhero, it does not matter that he had to use his ingenuity to become one. Green Latern is a Superhero too!(But I do understand your argument, it is pretty gay that there is a whole society of "Green Lanterns"😉 Anyway a Superhero has to fit four criteria...

1. Has to have a personal conflict such as dealing with his/her powers and or past. Example; Spiderman, it eats him alive that he ultimately was the reason for his Uncle Ben's death, He is often hated by the public and all of his worst enemies know who he is and/or were people that played roles in his life.
2. Any true Super hero has to have a nemesis that he cant beat without damn near dying or being helped. Example; Spiderman and Carnage, Superman and Darkseid, Batman and Clayface, Wolverine and Sabretooth.
3.They have to be battle tested.
4.They have to be willing to die for whats right

Originally posted by Cyclops

I am sure there is a plethera of handicapped police officers. And I am sure that they are more then willing to do so. Perhaps because they do get known for doing such because they not wear a costume.

I'm pretty sure you have to pass a physical to become a police officer.

Anyway, this is different. This isn't a case of going into the force with a handicap, or of being handicapped and continuing in the force in some capacity. This is a matter of a man being worn down for days, being crippled in the most bruttle fashion, and then immediately throwing his personal concerns aside the instant somebody required his help.

Besides, that's not his only accomplishment. Reread my list of things Batman has survived again, and tell me that the average police officer could keep going after suffering all the horrors Batman has suffered. I think you'll find, if you're completely honest with yourself, that you won't be able to.

Your average cop does not have the money to afford the health coverage a rich person does. But police officers that have been hurt on the job still go back and perform their job as best as possible. Perhaps if they had the financial backgroud of our beloved Bruce Wayne, they could go full out, but it is unfortunate they cannot.

Originally posted by Cyclops
Your average cop does not have the money to afford the health coverage a rich person does. But police officers that have been hurt on the job still go back and perform their job as best as possible. Perhaps if they had the financial backgroud of our beloved Bruce Wayne, they could go full out, but it is unfortunate they cannot.

When Batman's back was broken by Bane, he got absolutely no medical care except that which was available in the cave, which were very second rate. Because if they'd taken him to a hospital, it would have given away his identity, don't you know.

Originally posted by Gregory
When Batman's back was broken by Bane, he got absolutely no medical care except that which was available in the cave, which were very second rate. Because if they'd taken him to a hospital, it would have given away his identity, don't you know.

Good point...

But let me pose a question to you. How different is Batman from... Robin? What does he have over Robin/Nightwing? Nothing.What does he have over Batgirl (aside from the gender defining organs)

Anybody can throw on a costume and pose at Batman. Use his toys and you are Batman.

Originally posted by Cyclops

But let me pose a question to you. How different is Batman from... Robin? What does he have over Robin/Nightwing? Nothing.What does he have over Batgirl (aside from the gender defining organs)

Anybody can throw on a costume and pose at Batman. Use his toys and you are Batman.

Batman is a far better fighter than Nightwing or Robin. Remember in Fugitive, when Batman and Nightwing faught? Nightwing couldn't even touch Batman, and Batman won without even landing a punch. And of course, the difference in skill between Batman and Robin is even more pronounced. Batgirl is about as skilled as Batman, but she is far less experienced.

You say that anybody can pose as/be Batman. But remember what happened when Azrael tried that? Remember what happened when Huntress posed as Batman in No-Man's Land? People died.

And remember, Nightwing, Robin, and Batgirl are not just "anybody." The first two were personally trained by Batman; Batgirl was trained by one of Batman's teachers from a very early age. Nightwing leads the Teen Titans. Heck, he was leader of the JLA durring the Obsideon Age. Robin is the leader of Young Justice.

These are not "anybody." They are a very, very select group.

Originally posted by Cyclops
Anybody can throw on a costume and pose at Batman. Use his toys and you are Batman.

This is clearly not true. The man is distinct, and although Nightwing has filled in for him, he is not the same person.

You seem to take people's comparison of superheroes to police officers as debasing the station of police officer. From what has been posted here, it can't be rationally inferred that people are calling policeman "horrible" because they get paid for what they do. You seem to think in extremes quite often. If this is supposed to be an intelligent argument, you can't use such hyperbole and expect to gain an edge. It was already stated in this thread that the police force is a community of thousands and thousands of people with diverse backgrounds, personalities, and motives. This automatically squashes any attempt for anyone to judge whether a random, anonymous, imaginary cop is a hero or not. It simply isn't logical. For many, the term "superhero" is describing one's specific actions, not a job that you can apply for.
If you were going to try to attack the argument that police officers are employed, paid, and restricted by the government, you might have tried drawing a parallel to the Avengers and the JLA, since they are U.N. sanctioned. You would have been wrong, but it's a direction in which to go, anyway. I'm not fully informed as to whether the U.N. grants any money to either of these organizations, but I know that Tony Stark used to bankroll the Avengers.

Originally posted by The Batman
This is clearly not true. The man is distinct, and although Nightwing has filled in for him, he is not the same person.

You seem to take people's comparison of superheroes to police officers as debasing the station of police officer. From what has been posted here, it can't be rationally inferred that people are calling policeman "horrible" because they get paid for what they do. You seem to think in extremes quite often. If this is supposed to be an intelligent argument, you can't use such hyperbole and expect to gain an edge. It was already stated in this thread that the police force is a community of thousands and thousands of people with diverse backgrounds, personalities, and motives. This automatically squashes any attempt for anyone to judge whether a random, anonymous, imaginary cop is a hero or not. It simply isn't logical. For many, the term "superhero" is describing one's specific actions, not a job that you can apply for.
If you were going to try to attack the argument that police officers are employed, paid, and restricted by the government, you might have tried drawing a parallel to the Avengers and the JLA, since they are U.N. sanctioned. You would have been wrong, but it's a direction in which to go, anyway. I'm not fully informed as to whether the U.N. grants any money to either of these organizations, but I know that Tony Stark used to bankroll the Avengers.

That was one of the most intelligent statements I have ever read, and for that I applaude you.

However, I am not trying to say that anyone in here is demeaning the police as a whole... not even in the least. I am trying to get an understanding how how people judge those who either uphold the law or take the law into their own hands.

There is one thing I have to say before I post a rebuttle. Has anyone else read the comic where the X-men and the Teen Titans team up to fight Dark Phoenix? It was pretty bad ass. (I know, weird. DC and Marvel)

Anyways, I am trying to say that there is, in my eyes, nothing "super" about Batman or Ironman (these are examples, I am not attacking them in particular). They have trained (very hard), but that is all I can see. For that, I DO NOT consider them anything more then cops in fancy get-ups. If you can convince me otherwise, I welcome you to do so. I am not short sighted, but if I have a rebuttle I will post it.

Moving away from Batman and Iron Man for the moment...

You've said that aliens can't be superheroes because they're not human, and therefore cannot be "superhuman."

In Marvel, mutants aren't technically "human" either. So you don't believe that the X-Men are superheroes?

(Kal-el gets credit for this point; I'm just dragging it back into the light)