Who's the better Dark Lord?

Started by shadowy_blue3 pages

Who's the better Dark Lord?

Morgoth or Sauron?

And let's put the "Morgoth is a Vala and Sauron is just a Maia and Sauron was just Morgoth's helper so Morgoth is better" argument aside. πŸ˜‰

Let's base it from different matters.

Who's the better strategist? Who achieved more? Who made plans that actually made sense and worked out? Who's the better "deceiver"? Who caused more fear from their foes? Sauron or Morgoth? Who's more intimidating? Who had the better "end"? etc.

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"Who's the better strategist? Who achieved more? Who made plans that actually made sense and worked out? Who's the better "deceiver"? Who caused more fear from their foes? Sauron or Morgoth? Who's more intimidating? Who had the better "end"?"

Better strategist... I think Morgoth, looking at the wars of the First Age. He simply dared more... like, destroying the Trees, stealing the Silmarilli and so on. The coolest thing Sauron did was the Drowning of Atalante... and he laughed πŸ˜›

I'm not really sure who achieved more... Sauron held Middle-earth under his dominion longer, but Morgoth wiped out nearly all Beleriand πŸ˜› (Gondolin was the only free city for a long time... until it was destroyed, too........)

I dont think any of them made real plans or something, they used the advantages of each moment πŸ˜„ hm perhaps Sauron planned the Rings and the Drowning of Atalante while Morgoth had a long time to plan the Dagor Bragollach πŸ˜‚ and the Dagor Dagrath maybe when he killed Arien...

I think that Sauron caused more fear than Morgoth, though I dunno why... maybe it's only because Tolkien doesnt describe people's feeling as much in the Silmarillion (as he does in LOTR). Morgoth was also somehow a little more "real" than Sauron... I mean, he even answered to Fingolfin's Challenge, and many of the Eldar saw his real body (not only in NΓΊmenor, Eregion and the Last Alliance as it probably was the case with Sauron), as Finrod also describes.
The greatest thing Morgoth did was to spoil Death, I think. Death isnt anything one should be afraid of, but Melkor made it seem evil especially to Men (great passage in the Athrabeth!).

The better End was also definitely Morgoth's... if you can speak of an end in his case 😈 his end was the real End Of All Things...

*cough im watching to see who says morgoth cough*

Actually, I think Voldemort was worse than the two of them put together!!!

*hides from flames and spears*

And yes, I WAS only joking!!

*kills*

lol, you better of have!

I would say Morgoth, for some reasin after reading the Salmarillion and seeing all what Morgoth destroyed and whatnot, Sauron didnt seem so "malice" in LOTR as Morgoth did....

Sauron did infact give some great battles and actually got an alliance to destroy his creation of the one ring.

Morgoth did infact create some deadly creatures though ie Balrogs and of course the orcs..

Discos - Morgoth πŸ™‚

yeah....

morgoth actually won the war...and would have ruled if it wasnt for 'earendil the mariner' the little grass went to valinor......and then mogoth was cast into the void after being defeated...........but sauron survived βœ… and in the silmarillion sauron is only less evil than melkor in that he served another..until he rose again to his own needs

so evilness-draw
strengh-melkor
mega cool awesomeness-sauron πŸ˜› (no of course im not biased πŸ˜›πŸ˜›)

sauron!

ooops... didja mean outta the books...? πŸ˜‚

Morgoth

Originally posted by sauron
*cough im watching to see who says morgoth cough*

LOL πŸ˜„ ok then... Sauron πŸ˜›

*cough MORGOTH cough cough* πŸ˜›

*slays*

you can't slay no one, you have been defeated, and defeated you shall remain.....

you will pay for that remark discos

*clips the wing of every eagle in middle earth so they cant fly*

hehehe

*throws them out of there own eyres

you would cut my wings off after i help in your rescue from the monstrous bog!

*glues thorondors wings back on*

only flying eagle left βœ… be proud

boo....luckily you can't clip Eagos's wings are they are not spread yet πŸ™‚

πŸ™‚ thank you lordy but i am the Lord Of Eagles i would still be able to fly without wings πŸ˜›