I see no problem with gore if it is used to make the film more realistic, or to help define the characters and stories, I mean in war movies you if you really want to show how horrible war is and make it real, you have to show violence and gore. A lot of times though gore is just added in movies as eye candy without doing anything for the story. That is what Kill Bill 1 was I think.
Know Your Terms
1. Reservoir Dogs/ mr white / o ren / the matrix (sophie)
2. Pulp Fiction/ mr orange / vernita / little nicky
3. Jackie Brown/ mr brown / budd / johnny cash / Bill's blue shirt from Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure
4. Kill Bill/ mr blonde / full tilt boogie / elle driver / l driver produced it
5. Glorious Bastards/ where's Bill??? / Kung Fu Fans know it! it's all about them
Originally posted by cal31
I see no problem with gore if it is used to make the film more realistic, or to help define the characters and stories, I mean in war movies you if you really want to show how horrible war is and make it real, you have to show violence and gore. A lot of times though gore is just added in movies as eye candy without doing anything for the story. That is what Kill Bill 1 was I think.
Yep, cause KB (well at least 1) is a B-Movie. But seriously, it wasnt eye-candy, it looked really fake, like slightly red coloured water or something.
Exactly like it was meant to be. 🙂
Sorry for joining in the discussion so late b/c I've just stumbled upon this forum.
Many points have been raised and discussed already so I'll keep mine short.
Kill Bill is entertaining, if you like this kind of movies. I'll give it that. And I can understand why many people would think that QT is such a genius or great director. But for those who, like me, have seen many many Japanese animations? KB is just another one of those thousands of animes. Nothing special about it. Nothing to call any one genius about it. Everything from the editing, lighting, camera work, storyline to characters are all so familiar. As a matter of fact I will even say that KB is a pretty well made animie. He did a good job copying. But again, nothing to write home about. It's NOT "his" style as many of his fans like to say so much. Don't take my word for it. Go rent some animes and see for yourself.
I am a photographer and I think I can talk about "inspiration" a little bit. As an artist I am always inspired by other artists' works. But I never copy. There is a big big difference between inspiration and copying. Any one who say that QT is merely being inspired and "somehow makes it his own" really needs to spend some time to ponder upon the difference between inspiration and copying.
No, copying is taking a movie, and doing the exactly same thing. Thats copying.
Inspiration is taking something you love and creating something of your own.
Kill Bill, he was inspired by various influences in his life. Kung Fu, Spagetti Westerns, Anime and he's love for cinema. It feels like an anime, but also of westerns. The story is unique with character he made himself and great dialogue. The combination of anime, print (the way the story jumps), music and the universe that movie created was all unique.
And its not an anime because its not animation. It feels like an anime but Mystic River felt like a mystery but that doesnt mean Eastwood copyied it from countless others.
Huh. After reading through this thread I don't even know if I want to post my opinion. Someone my rip my f*ckin lung out and eat it just because I don't agree with what they're saying. 🙄 Honestly, just because someone doesn't believe what you believe doesn't make they're argument any less valid nor does it mean that their some kind of dim wit. It just means that they see things differently. It's called perspective people. Honestly, people are more concerned about being right than they are about the discussion. *stepping down from soapbox*
Anyhow, to answer the question, I can't speak for other people and say why they may think that Quentin is a genius. I don't. I thin his movies are derivative and shallow. That's not to say that I'm not a fan, because I am. But, I take the movies as they are. *shrugs*
I think a lot of what pisses people off about Quentin is not even him. It's the fans who think that dissecting his films, noticing things and others don't and just stating that Pulp Fiction (Jackie Brown was better) is their favorite movie makes them part of some elite intellectual sphere.
So yeah, that's my two(hundred) cents.
Originally posted by SmasandianNot necessarily. Copying doesn't need to be "doing the exactly same thing." If I take Citizen Kane and change Kane to be a woman, move the location to rural China, change the time period to Middle Ages, etc., etc., (*cough* Reservoir Dogs *cough*) it's still copying. Well, perhaps plagiarism is a better word for it.
No, copying is taking a movie, and doing the exactly same thing.
Originally posted by SmasandianThe key here is being "of your own." There is nothing in any of QT's movies any avid film fan can say it's a QT original. Nothing. But QT is getting slick though. He doesn't steal from just one movie any more. He steals a little bit from here and a little bit from there and, thus, making his plagiarism relatively difficult to detect.
Inspiration is taking something you love and creating something of your own.
KB's editing is cool? Yeah, but that style of editing is common place in animes.
KB's camera works is cool? Yeah, but that style of camera works is common place in animes.
I can go on and on like this but you get my point which is that while KB or any of QT's movies are cool and entertaining, there is absolutely nothing original about them.
I guess what bugs me is NOT whether QT is a good filmmaker or not. I readily admit that he is a very good commercial film director. His movies are entertaining, gimmicky and fun. I watch them. But what bother me is the fact that some people worship him like he is the Cinema God; that he is such a Genius; that he is Original. Oh, give me a break.
Originally posted by ms_eruptVery well put! Don't want to offend any one and I certainly do not want to generalize all QT fans w/ one board statement but I do believe that QT has achieve a cult status and some people like to be in a cult to worship a Cinema God b/c they think it'll make them cool too.
I think a lot of what pisses people off about Quentin is not even him. It's the fans who think that dissecting his films, noticing things and others don't and just stating that Pulp Fiction (Jackie Brown was better) is their favorite movie makes them part of some elite intellectual sphere.
We shall all sacrifice ourselves in the name of Tarantino.
I have no problem with the perspective argument. I understand it is not for everybody. I also find it irritating when people like something just because it is "cool" to like. However, here is my perspective.
Pulp Fiction is my favorite movie and has been for years. However, I know that I don't like it because it is "cool" to like it for the reason of me not knowing it was cool to like Pulp Fiction until a while after I saw it. I watched it because my brother recommended it to me when I didn't know much about it. His recommendation also came from the fact that he thought it was "my type" of movie (he actually wasn't a fan of it himself so he didn't apply a positive biasness of his own). Slowly over the next two years I started to notice this "cult" that you guys have mentioned. Did it bug me? No, but that was because I was already a fan myself. But I can see that if I hated the movie I would hate it more just because of the fan base (*coughCollateralcough*). On the whole copying thing... WHO CARES? Rarely will you find a movie that doesn't copy ideas from other movies. QT copies from a lot of movies but he merges a little bit of one thing into a little bit of another so well that it honestly becomes so much cooler (imo). Referring to Kill Bill, I hear a lot of people complaining about how it was edited in a similar fashion to an anime so it was nothing unique either. But there is major appeal in this as well. I hate cartoon movies (unless funny like South Park). I especially hate animes (I find them completely annoying). However, I do like live action animes. And don't get me wrong, because I like foreign movies such as Zatoichi and Kung Fu Hustle, but there is just something so much more appealing about watching something in your own language. Can you name any movies in English done in an anime style (and if so, is it good?)? Back to the copied thing, QT's movies may not be original, but I feel they are presented better than the originals. I find nothing more entertaining than a QT movie (hopefully Sin City will change that even though QT worked on it). This is just my side though and I know that not everybody agrees so you won't see me bashing somebody for opposing.
Except you Ms. Erupt... F*CK YOU!
j/k Ms. Erupt 😉
Myth, I couldn't have said it better. I was nodding in agreement the whole time I was reading it.
As for the plagerism thing, I hate it when fans try and pretend that he's original. As I said, very deriviative. They're this sort of patchwork quilt of different movies all presented in his own way. That's about the only thing truly oringinal about them. But, big but, I don't ever recall him pretending that his films were works of creative genious. That was pretty much his fans (and some critics) as well.
So, in the end, his films are my kind of films. Like, don't like em. That's up to you. I won't pretend I'm special because I like them nor will I burn you at the stake for not liking them.
I don't get why people have to go in detail into movies in order to enjoy them.
who cares if he doesn't use his own ideas.. he seems to be doing really well for himself and as long as people like him, I'm pretty sure he doesn't give a sh*it either.
Just about every director steals stuff from other people.
With the exception of Tim Burton and John Waters..
Especially John Waters.. who could even think of some of that stuff?
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