ironman and warmachine vs heavy arms(the gundam)

Yes, They would. Diamond is the hardest natural substance, but it can easily be destroyed with a direct blow. Metals stand up to much more punishment as far as kinetic damage, this is because their structure allows them to have some give, while the diamond simply cracks and shatters.

Notice that the titanium alloy on Leo mobile suits is more then an inch thick... and his bullets shred them.

Even if one bullet alone couldnt puncture his suit, the sheer force of the bullet would cause enough damage to slow him down. Dont forget, hes firing hundreds of rounds at once.

Yes, the sheer number of bullets and their force would slow Iron Man down, but it wouldn't stop him. Don't forget, War Machine's firing THOUSANDS of rounds at once.

Oh yeah, the titanium on Leo mobile suits are not titanium NITRIDE.

Originally posted by ska57
Yes, the sheer number of bullets and their force would slow Iron Man down, but it wouldn't stop him. Don't forget, War Machine's firing THOUSANDS of rounds at once.

Oh yeah, the titanium on Leo mobile suits are not titanium NITRIDE.

how do you know that? In their descriptions, it says titanium alloy... which means it could be anythign with titanium in it, INCLUDING nitride.

and in endless waltz, the serpent suits were made of neo titanium, which is (fictional of course) only slightly weaker than gundanium, but MUCH stronger than any other metal.

Originally posted by ska57
Yes, the sheer number of bullets and their force would slow Iron Man down, but it wouldn't stop him. Don't forget, War Machine's firing THOUSANDS of rounds at once.

Oh yeah, the titanium on Leo mobile suits are not titanium NITRIDE.

You misunderstood.. I said ONE bullet would slow him down. The hundreds he is firing would destroy him. His suit can only take so much damage. Like Kontraz said, you don't know what leo titanium alloy is made of, so don't say what it isnt.

Yeah, but that's just it, WE DON'T KNOW. They probably don't even tell you if it is high or low purity titanium-_______ (you fill in the blank) which can varry so much in strength that it would almost seem like two different metals.

Thats not a hinge point in my argument though... The fact that their armor is thicker then Ironman's, and still more then 50% titanium means these bullets are definitly strong enough to damage his suit.

Don't forget that Heavyarms is shootign off some big a$$ bullets, I can't say if they'll penetrate Iron Man's armor or not, but I do know that it's definite gonna suck for him if they hit.

they are around the 100 mm range. Dats some big ass bullets.

Iron Man has gone through re-entry through the earth's atmosphere from space out-of-control, slammed through a few skyscrapers, and crashed into a city street causing a huge crater. He then stood up with no damage to his armor. That's how durable he is.

Your point? Thats all blunt damage. You don't even read peoples posts! We're talking kinetic! It's completly different! You are so iggnorant it... it just makes me want to kill you! ARGH!

Gundam Wing was hit by a frickin' spacestation energy beam bigger then he was. Guess what... it survived. It was pretty ****ed up... but it survived. Wing fell through the atmosphere into the ocean. Survived. Heavyarms custom has taken numerous blasts from energy weapons with more power then a 105mm machine gun... and kept on rolling. He is much more durable then Iron Man.

If heavy arms' normal bullets can shred the only-slightly-weaker-than-gundanium armor of the serpents, doesn't that only strengthen the case for Ironman and Warmachine and their fancy armor piercing bullets?

What kind of targeting interference do Ironman and Warmachine have? It's easy to punch a monkey in the face but it's harder to hit a fly if you get what I mean.

Only slightly weaker? You are VERY mistaken my friend. Very, very mistaken. Gundams have shown to stand and walk through enemy fire, while serpents take damage, HEAVY damage, to their systems.

As for the interference, he stated they can lock onto all of heavyarms missiles, but there are still hundreds upon hundreds of bullets, and the gundam's lockin system is nothing to be shy about. Like I stated before, using highly inaccurate miniguns, Trowa disabled the kneecaps of five serpents in quick succession without damaging much else.

Originally posted by Nataku8188
Your point? Thats all blunt damage. You don't even read peoples posts! We're talking kinetic! It's completly different! You are so iggnorant it... it just makes me want to kill you! ARGH!

Blunt Damage uses kinectic energy to cause damage. You're just so desperate for the gundams to win than you can't admit through your own fanboyism that there's possible ways for Iron Man and War Machine to take it down. There are so many ways for heavy arms to be taken down it's not even funny. You don't even know all of the equipment Tony Stark has at his disposal. If he wanted to, he could just hack into the OS, of heavy arms gundam to shut it down from a far away distance or activate the self destruct device.

Heavy Arms from the gundam wing series had a VERY limited amount of ammunition to use against the enemy. Trowa's tactic as he stated himself is to shower the enemy with bullets. Iron Man has dealt with enemy's that use the same concept and still comes out on top on daily basis.

If Iron Man deals with far more powerful enemies on a daily basis such as the Mandarin, then a gundam with big guns is no problem at all.

Originally posted by Nataku8188
Gundam Wing was hit by a frickin' spacestation energy beam bigger then he was. Guess what... it survived. [/B]

It pushed Talgesse II out of the way. After the blast the only part left was a badly damaged chest component which was abandoned. You obviously are trying to pump up something from nothing.

Originally posted by Nataku8188
It was pretty ****ed up... but it survived. Wing fell through the atmosphere into the ocean. Survived. [/B]

It was equiped with re-entry equipment and had a window for re-entry. It was interupted by Zechs in a ground type leo and hit the ocean. It was damaged and had to be discarded by Heero.

Iron Man fell through re-entry out of control, crashed trough skyscrapers, and slammed directly into the ground without any damage shows he has more durability than your giving him credit for.

Originally posted by Nataku8188
Heavyarms custom has taken numerous blasts from energy weapons with more power then a 105mm machine gun... and kept on rolling. He is much more durable then Iron Man. [/B]

If you recall Wing Gundam at luxemberg took blasts like that and was abandoned by heero.

the sheer force of the bullets would kill stark inside suit.they would bang him around till he was dead even if ironman was still ok

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Originally posted by Nataku8188
Heavyarms custom has taken numerous blasts from energy weapons with more power then a 105mm machine gun... and kept on rolling. He is much more durable then Iron Man. [/B]

If you recall Wing Gundam at luxemberg took blasts like that and was abandoned by heero.

we arent talking about wing gundam, we are talking about heavy arms (custom to be specific) and he WAS able to take the damage. Also, about Iron Man hacking into the system and causing it to self-detonate... that's impressive, seeing as the self detonation in all of them are not part of their systems and were only added later. Thats basically like saying he could hack into a microwave and tell it to heat up and hamburger. Not gonna happen without being connected to a communications system.

Blunt Damage uses kinectic energy to cause damage. You're just so desperate for the gundams to win than you can't admit through your own fanboyism that there's possible ways for Iron Man and War Machine to take it down. There are so many ways for heavy arms to be taken down it's not even funny. You don't even know all of the equipment Tony Stark has at his disposal. If he wanted to, he could just hack into the OS, of heavy arms gundam to shut it down from a far away distance or activate the self destruct device.

First off, Kinetic energy does propel the blunt damage... but it is over such a large area that it isnt as powerful as a bullet.

KE = 1/2 * M * v^2

M=Mass of object (or blast)
V=speed of object

Bullets cover much more ground then explosions, and carry their kinetic energy into a much smaller impact, therefore dealing more damage.

A chinese KS-19 fires 100 mm bullets. These travel 900-1000 m/s.
Since the Leos are equiped with 105 mm machine guns, I'll say heavyarms has the same size rounds. Now, if you actually think the amount of damage done by these rounds isn't enough to take down either Iron Man or War Machine... then you greatly overrate their strength.

second, there is no possible way for him to 'hack' into the gundams. The gundam systems can only communicate through comm units, which carry direct visual and sound. If it were that easy I'm sure the guys who invented giant robots that can be controlled by a single teenager could figure out how to do so. Think with some common sense. You can't hack into an OS... its a direct feed, its not like the internet where you have to send information over a line to a database, where it is routed and sent to the location. Learn something about hacking before you talk about it.

Second, I'm not some stupid fanboy, I already said he'd lose. I'm just arguing that he could destroy them with his weaponry, and that he is more durable then they are. See, I was right, you DONT read all of the posts.

Originally posted by Nataku8188
Alright, Ive seen all sorts of arguments facts, and misconceptions. First off, Heavyarms would most likely LOSE to these two competitors. Why? Because they can out manuever him. The only problem... their weapons will deal little to no damage. A 1500 ton nuke eh... If the actually manage to hit heavyarms with that thing you can be sure they wont go away unscathed. Now, as far as a head on fight... Heavyarms takes the cake. His micro missles coupled with the sheer number of bullets would overwhelm the duo.

Heavy Arms from the gundam wing series had a VERY limited amount of ammunition to use against the enemy. Trowa's tactic as he stated himself is to shower the enemy with bullets. Iron Man has dealt with enemy's that use the same concept and still comes out on top on daily basis.

Or not... if you watch Endless Waltz, you'll know they each destroy nearly 50 Serpents... From the clips of him fighting, it seems he wasn't using his ammo sparingly at all. Trowa isn't a moron, he'll make his shots count.

It pushed Talgesse II out of the way. After the blast the only part left was a badly damaged chest component which was abandoned. You obviously are trying to pump up something from nothing.

No, I'm simply declaring the durability of the Gundams. The Heavyarms suit is more heavily armored then wing, which survived with its torso, head, and upper wing structure intact. Calling it nothing is pretty stupid, considering that beam could easily destroy the earth.

It was equiped with re-entry equipment and had a window for re-entry. It was interupted by Zechs in a ground type leo and hit the ocean. It was damaged and had to be discarded by Heero.

It wasn't equiped with Re-entry equipment... and a window for re-entry? What are you babbling about? There is no mention of a window for re-entry. As for it was damaged, in episode two they declare it doesnt have A SINGLE SCRATCH ON IT. Heero abandoned it because he had lost control, and decided he would retrieve it later when there was a better opprotunity. His number one concern was to not be discovered.

If you recall Wing Gundam at luxemberg took blasts like that and was abandoned by heero.

If you recall it was a beam saber that made him abandon, and the fact that he knew he couldn't win. Stop being so picky with your details and pull out some facts.

Originally posted by Nataku8188
Only slightly weaker? You are VERY mistaken my friend. Very, very mistaken. Gundams have shown to stand and walk through enemy fire, while serpents take damage, HEAVY damage, to their systems.

Take that up with Kontraz, he said it.

Originally posted by Nataku8188

second, there is no possible way for him to 'hack' into the gundams. The gundam systems can only communicate through comm units, which carry direct visual and sound. If it were that easy I'm sure the guys who invented giant robots that can be controlled by a single teenager could figure out how to do so. Think with some common sense. You can't hack into an OS... its a direct feed, its not like the internet where you have to send information over a line to a database, where it is routed and sent to the location. Learn something about hacking before you talk about it.

If you read comics, then you know it doesn't operate exactly as the real world. Tony has already shown he can access almost any piece of technology in the world. He even hacked into Ultron, built by unknown alien race, without any of the restrictions displayed by your reasoning. I will also add he did it quickly and easily.

Originally posted by Nataku8188
Second, I'm not some stupid fanboy, I already said he'd lose. I'm just arguing that he could destroy them with his weaponry, and that he is more durable then they are.

He might be able to damage them with the full power of his heavily armed gundam. Then again its not even sure thing he could hit such a small target. Iron Man and War Machine have displayed amazing speed, manuverability, and reaction time that it would be doubt that they could be hit by such convential firepower. Because of that it would be extremely difficult if not immposible depending on the terrain on which heavy arms has to operate in for it to hit such small comparitively small targets. Gundams were originally designed to destroy other mobile suits. Not small targets.

In Z Gundam, MK-II gundam attempted to shoot a soldier on reconnaissance. The soldier was wearing simple space suit with tiny equipted boosters for small maneuvers in a colony. When the gundam fired, the soldier dodged easily and stated that it is impossible for mobile suits to hit such small targets. The gundam attempted to shoot the solder again and again but failed to hit each time. The Soldier then boosted to safety.

This further proves that it would be impossible for a Gundam to hit such small targets.

Originally posted by Nataku8188
Or not... if you watch Endless Waltz, you'll know they each destroy nearly 50 Serpents... From the clips of him fighting, it seems he wasn't using his ammo sparingly at all. Trowa isn't a moron, he'll make his shots count.

He didn't destroy any of serpents at all. Of the ones he did attack, he disable them in order to not kill the pilots. After he ran out of ammo, he was at the mercy of the remaining serpents.

If he runs out of ammo, assuming his gundam isn't affected by the nuclear bomb of war machine, then he'll be at the mercy of Iron Man and War Machine highly effective weaponry.

Originally posted by Nataku8188
It wasn't equiped with Re-entry equipment... and a window for re-entry? What are you babbling about? There is no mention of a window for re-entry. As for it was damaged, in episode two they declare it doesnt have A SINGLE SCRATCH ON IT. Heero abandoned it because he had lost control, and decided he would retrieve it later when there was a better opprotunity. His number one concern was to not be discovered.

If they don't have a window for re-entry then they can't safely go to the earth.

Wing Zero at the End of episode 49 was attempting to destroy the incoming debris. Massive amounts of armor were being torn off wing zero as it attempted to achieve a lock on the debris.

Wing Zero Custom in Endless Waltz was crashing through the atmosphere while in a deadlock with Nataku Custom. Armor components melted and were ripped off Wing Zero.

Originally posted by Nataku8188
If you recall it was a beam saber that made him abandon, and the fact that he knew he couldn't win. Stop being so picky with your details and pull out some facts.

Wing Gundam suffered heavy damage from the firepower of hordes of mobile dolls. Heero took a direct blow which knocked down the already heavily damaged Wing Gundam. Three mobile dolls then surrounded the crippled Wing Gundam and were about to destroy it when three Treize Factions soldiers kamikazed and destroyed the three mobile dolls. Heero then abandoned wing gundam.

If you recall Wing Gundam at luxemberg took blasts like that and was abandoned by heero.

he was fighting in his original gundam then

Excuse me for saying destroyed, I meant Disabled. We all knew what I meant.

If you read comics, then you know it doesn't operate exactly as the real world. Tony has already shown he can access almost any piece of technology in the world. He even hacked into Ultron, built by unknown alien race, without any of the restrictions displayed by your reasoning. I will also add he did it quickly and easily.

This can be argued based on which universe the fight will occur in. If it is the AU Wing universe then this won't happen. If it is Marvel's mainstream universe, then it will. So this argument changes based on context.

Originally posted by Evangel94

In Z Gundam, MK-II gundam attempted to shoot a soldier on reconnaissance. The soldier was wearing simple space suit with tiny equipted boosters for small maneuvers in a colony. When the gundam fired, the soldier dodged easily and stated that it is impossible for mobile suits to hit such small targets. The gundam attempted to shoot the solder again and again but failed to hit each time. The Soldier then boosted to safety.

This further proves that it would be impossible for a Gundam to hit such small targets.

Notice that is Z gundam. Not gundam Wing. Gundam wing gundams are nearly 1/10 as heavy as other gundams, are stronger, faster, more accurate, and are much more durable, you know why? Because gundam wing gundams are supposed to be godlike. Like I said before, Trowa disabled the serpents by simply blasting away their kneecaps... thats damn accurate if you ask me.

If they don't have a window for re-entry then they can't safely go to the earth.

Wing Zero at the End of episode 49 was attempting to destroy the incoming debris. Massive amounts of armor were being torn off wing zero as it attempted to achieve a lock on the debris.

Wing Zero Custom in Endless Waltz was crashing through the atmosphere while in a deadlock with Nataku Custom. Armor components melted and were ripped off Wing Zero.

It has been shown that when firing his buster rifle at maximum power, or even charging it for that matter, Zero is very susceptable to damage. Not only that, but he had just battled with Epyon.

In endless Waltz Zero loses part of his shoulder armor after blocking Wufei's downward slash. Notice Wufei suffers no damage... yet he is infront of Zero during the entry. 59:00 into the movie.

If he runs out of ammo, assuming his gundam isn't affected by the nuclear bomb of war machine, then he'll be at the mercy of Iron Man and War Machine highly effective weaponry.

Highly INNEFFECTIVE is more realistic. Directly fired on his suit, it has little to no effect. If you go for the weak points, it will work. But so would a guy with a stick of dynamite. The point im trying to make is, Heavyarms will most likely lose. If he does manage to hit either of the suits, consider them done for. The first bullet will throw them off, and that will give him time to finish 'em. As far as durability, the gundams have thicker, stronger armor. Heavyarms DOES have 140 armor, not 110. You must've misread. Here; http://www.gun-plus.com/index.php?id=pages/gw_heavyarmskai