Originally posted by Firefly218
Dude, that's not cool. You can't hold the hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians responsible for our government's bone head decisions. Also, we have never once promoted or conducted a genocide against any particular race.
Originally posted by EpicurusWe didn't conduct a genocide on Native Americans, we just treated them harshly and occasionally went to war with them. We never fought them with the intention of eliminating their kind, we fought them for control of land.
Tell that to the Native Americans
Originally posted by EpicurusGross exaggeration. Yes some innocent people died, and that sucks, but to say millions is exaggeration. We invaded Iraq to avenge 9-11, because Sadam Hussien was sponsoring terrorism and the Taliban. Not to mention that he was killing thousands of his people and ruling in an extremist dictatorship. I'm not defending us, because invading Iraq was a stupid shit decision - but nevertheless, it was no attempted genocide.
Or the million+ victims of the Iraq war.
Originally posted by EpicurusWe were at war with the Japanese after they bombed us at Pearl Harbor. Our attack had no intentions of eliminating the Japanese people, it was to force them to surrender. That's not genocide.
Or the Japanese.
Originally posted by EpicurusOnce again, this wasn't a genocide. We were helping the south Vietnamese fight the Russia backed North Vietnamese to stop the spread of communism.
Or the Vietnamese. Etc.
We've never promoted or conducted genocide before
Originally posted by Firefly218
Correct me where I'm wrong Walter
American media like Fox and the like feed the wrong info.
Don't watch news; most of it is bs (excluding tech news).
Seriously kid, do some research. A little searching in the web will help.
Americans invade other countries primarily to achieve their own agendas.
Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
You were wrong about everything.American media like Fox and the like feed the wrong info.
Don't watch news; most of it is bs (excluding tech news).Seriously kid, do some research. A little searching in the web will help.
Americans invade other countries primarily to achieve their own agendas.
Point out specifically where I'm wrong. You people are telling me I'm wrong and then declining to give any reasoning.
👆 about American media. They feed viewers agenda motivated bullshit and thrive on subtle misinformation.
Originally posted by Firefly218
We didn't conduct a genocide on Native Americans,
Originally posted by Firefly218
Gross exaggeration.
Originally posted by Firefly218
We invaded Iraq to avenge 9-11, because Sadam Hussien was sponsoring terrorism and the Taliban.
Originally posted by Firefly218
Not to mention that he was killing thousands of his people
Originally posted by Firefly218
We were at war with the Japanese after they bombed us at Pearl Harbor.
Originally posted by Firefly218
Our attack had no intentions of eliminating the Japanese people, it was to force them to surrender.
Originally posted by Firefly218
That's not genocide.
But still, the American usage of nuclear weapons against the Japanese can be argued to be genocide, the destruction of the Native Americans is without a doubt genocide.
Originally posted by Firefly218
Once again, this wasn't a genocide. We were helping the south Vietnamese fight the Russia backed North Vietnamese to stop the spread of communism.
Originally posted by Firefly218
We've never promoted or conducted genocide before
Originally posted by Firefly218
We didn't conduct a genocide on Native Americans, we just treated them harshly and occasionally went to war with them. We never fought them with the intention of eliminating their kind, we fought them for control of land.
You did most definitely conduct a genocide on the native americans. warfare can be genocide, and the tools that were used (massacres, dislocation, diseases...) are definitely direct tools of genocide. This isn't solely on the US of course, it is generally Western colonisation of the Americas, but the US finished it. Additionally the Bureau of Indian Affairs apologised for this "ethnic cleansing", so I'm not sure why this is even contentious.
Originally posted by Firefly218
Gross exaggeration. Yes some innocent people died, and that sucks, but to say millions is exaggeration. We invaded Iraq to avenge 9-11, because Sadam Hussien was sponsoring terrorism and the Taliban. Not to mention that he was killing thousands of his people and ruling in an extremist dictatorship. I'm not defending us, because invading Iraq was a stupid shit decision - but nevertheless, it was no attempted genocide.
You did not invade Iraq to avenge 9/11. The reason you gave were that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, and therefore needed to be stopped. It turned out that your government lied about this. Saddam Hussein had no connection to 9/11, if anything, as we can see now, he was somewhat of a (terrible) stabilising force in Iraq against terrorism. You are correct that it wasn't genocide however, but everything else you said just shows a lack of understanding of what happened.
Originally posted by Firefly218
We were at war with the Japanese after they bombed us at Pearl Harbor. Our attack had no intentions of eliminating the Japanese people, it was to force them to surrender. That's not genocide.
Again, war is not an excuse for mass murder. And you most definitely had the intention to eliminate a large amount of Japanese people with the bombs. You dropped them on civilian targets (Pearl Harbor was a military base), in places where they can do significant amounts harm. So, maybe the US thought it was to force them to surrender, but if so it was still to force them to surrender by eliminating vast amounts of Japanese people. (the Fire Bombings of Germany, are even more hateful in that way, as there was no chance of surrender, nor was there any other justifying reason to do it)
So, again, the only genocide you perpetrated was against the Indians. You have happily partaken in systematic mass murder though. But as I said your post showed a severe lack of understanding of US History, which I think I have pointed out enough now.
Originally posted by Bardock42
You dropped them on civilian targets (Pearl Harbor was a military base), in places where they can do significant amounts harm.
And mass murder is still an act of genocide.
Originally posted by Epicurus
Hiroshima and Nagasaki were military-affiliated cities. Just putting that out there, before firefly comes up with his rebuttal.And mass murder is still an act of genocide.
Thanks for clarifying.
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To get back to the thread though:
"Taking a cue from Clovie's reply above, where would her country be located on a world map?"
Somewhere next to Germany, deffo
Do you enjoy arguing/debating with people (online or offline)?
Wow. Just wow.
As someone who was been involved in America's current war for over ten years, been shot, blown up, and come back from missions with pieces of my friends stuck to my gear, suffer from PTSD and TBI, i just want to say three things to the applauders of my country's people being killed:
One, there's a difference between a country's people and it's government.
Two, i'll never be posting in this thread again.
Three, **** you.