Passion of Christ DVD [Released Today 8-31-04]

Originally posted by BackFire
The only religion I have any respect for is Budhism. Just be a good person, be kind to others, and respect people, and you will be rewarded. Wow....it makes so much sense.

And you're right, religion is not my thing. I use logic, common sense, and intelegence to guide my views, not an ancient, prejudice book that preaches bullshit through stories that has no place in todays society and that should not be taken literally.

Well, a "religion" such as Buddhism, who apparently have no repercussions for wrong doing isn't a worship I'd wish to be a part of, personally.

I'm sorry you don't accept Jesus Christ, or the teachings of the Bible, and that you feel the need to denounce something that more than likely never influenced you in either way, just because you don't "believe" in it.
Just seems you do it to spite others, angry for no reason. What are your convictions? Though, I would like to bring to your attention that there are PLENTY of instances where the "bullshit" in the Bible has come to fruition in today's society.

no, thank you.
i saw it already and i would prefer not to see it for the second time.

"reprocussions for wrong". I have no problem with a belief that has reprocussions, I just don't think they define what is "wrong" properly. According to the bible, being gay is wrong, as is believing in another religion. I just don't accept that. That just seems mean to believe that someone deserves to be tortured for all eternity because of their sexual orientation or their beliefs. While I don't accept or respect Christianity, you'll never see me making up beliefs saying "well if you're christian you deserve to be hurt really badly". I have a fundamental problem with beliefs liek that. They serve no purpose.

Reprocussions for killing, raping, or hurting people are fine, you know, the big things that actually matter in the world. But there are just so many things in teh bible that I think are just plain wrong. Being gay should not be a sin, that is stupid. Believing in another religion should not be a sin. If you believe in anything, and are a good person, that should be good enough.

What has come to fruition? Don't kill people? Don't steal? Don't hurt other people? These things are the only things I really agree with in the bible. The main things. It's just too bad that so much hateful crap is also in there.

"So if i believe and follow Gods word, i do not live my life with common sense or intelligence?"

Not if you blindly believe everything some book says. I prefer thinking for myself. Like I said, some things in the bible I agree with. But there are too many things I think are fundamentally wrong and hypocritical.

god knew that man could not and would not be able to follow a life according to the ten commandments, which is why he sent us Jesus. Jesus was the way for us to be able to commit sin and still repent for them of prayer through Jesus, because Jesus is the bridge between man and god. Jesus gave his life for all of the sin that man commits. I think many refferences in the bible are metaphors. Of course no man can live their life completely by the word of God. No man can live their life without doubt of a God. this is human nature (doubt). God created man,but stil did not forsee the extent of human anture. this is why humanity was destroyed numerous times. God finally decided that he would allow us to destroy ourselves and make our own decesions,but show us the way with the Bible and Jesus.

If you take the Bible as literal as it makes you believe you should, you wil miss out on life. I think the best we can do as people and Chirstians is live life as best as we can and repent for our sins and ask for forgivness. If you are not religous, then simply acknowledging your wrong doings is the same. no one knows how God judges, i perosnally dont beleive if you life a decent life, but dont beleive in the Bible or Jesus you will go to hell

What I was saying though is if Buddhism doesn't belief in punishment, how can they reward good behavior? According to the Bible, yes, homosexuality is a sin. I would think that the human anatomy would kind of tell you that homosexuality was never intended, but that's me.
You do understand that today the Bible isn't taken word for word, given it was written so many years ago? We were given free will, but not the negative influences that turn free will into a sinful personal gratification.
Not every sect of Christianity claims that if you practice a different religion, you're going to hell. I don't go to church, as I feel that organized religion is a sham, and a personal relationship with my lord and saviour is a lot more beneficial and meaningful.

The prophecies I was speaking of that have come to light include the last days, with direct links to terrorism, plagues, famines, etc. You research 'em, and they'd blow your mind.

Like I said, the Bible doesn't come without it's hypocracy and contradictions, but a lot of us don't take it word for word, either. It's not being selective in how we apply the preachings, it's just that common sense would tell you that a lot of it is indeed outdated, while a solid portion is still applicable to today's society. I'm not condeming you to a life of eternal damnation for not accepting Christ into your life, I'd hear you out, and ask you to leave the door open, because one day, when you're in dire straits, there may be a time when you need him. Of all the times I have been saved, not one of those times could I have possibly helped myself. And no, luck had nothing to do with it.

Hope I made some sense to you. Just know we're not all brainwashed bible thumpers, and that we are capable of independent though. 😄

I was very keen to see this and was more than a little impressed with Mr mels commitment to what i presumed was a genuine one-from-the-heart project.

And then i saw this

http://www.sharethepassionofthechrist.com/

And now he can kiss my ass - I will watch this film, but only if I can borrow a copy on DVD because he's not getting a damn PENNY from me.

Well, as I said, Budhism does punish truly bad behavior, with Karma of some sort. I think doing good deeds and living a good life is reward in itself, and if you do good deeds just so you can go to heaven, then you're doing them for the wrong reasons.

And I'm glad to hear you do no take the bible word for word CA, it comes as no surprise to me. But you do understand that A LOT of people do? Hell, just take a little view of some of the threads in the Philosophy forum, there are plenty of them there. And I think that it's hugely dangerous to take it word for word.

And I'm in the process of reading the bible for the first time. So hopefully I'll see those things you mentioned soon enough.

I agree, the big parts are applicable in todays society. Be a good person, love your neighbor, ect. I'm glad to see you recognize that it's not perfect, because I think that's important.

I know, not all Christians are brainwashed, I didn't mean to make it sound as if that's what I thought. I just mean to say that I think it's dangerous and inapropriate to take it exactly word for word.

Anyways, CA, you, and Christians like you are the ones I have no problem with. It's the literal ones that preach to everyone about how if they don't believe what they do, they are damned to hell.

Originally posted by Cinemaddiction
I would think that the human anatomy would kind of tell you that homosexuality was never intended, but that's me.

If you take the fact that not being able to pro-create as a sign that homosexuality was never intended then do you also take the fact that you cant get your hand pregnant as a sign that you arent supped to beat off?

Well, is masterbation not denounced in the Bible too?

*waits for someone to say "It was Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve" so I can murder them*

yep, not supposed to waste that seed.

Psh, if that's the case then I'm going into the deepest depths of hell, along with anyone who didn't get poon in high school.

That's just something else that's silly. It's not like you don't produce more seed.

Originally posted by BackFire
I'm in the process of reading the bible for the first time. So hopefully I'll see those things you mentioned soon enough.

My first reading of the good book was age 7 so I didnt get much out of it. I'm on my second way through - but it's taken me all year to get to the end of Deuteronomy so i doubt I'll finish it much before the end of next year.

I may post a poll asking how many people have read it cover to cover. I'm always shocked just how few people have read the thing.

Well, I never was really into religion, my parents never pushed it upon me, even as a young boy. I've been to churce once in my whole life, and even then I didn't see hte point of it. So I never had an interest in reading it. Just now am I finally starting to get interested in religion and the lot, so it makes sense for me to read it now.

And to be fair, I can see why so few people have read it cover to cover, it is a very difficult read. With all the cryptic slang, and the old school termonology and use of the english language, it is pretty difficult sometimes. Especially for me, since I read usually before I go to bed when I'm somewhat tired. You pretty much have to read it when you're wide awake, because it's like work.

Originally posted by Mr Zero
I was very keen to see this and was more than a little impressed with Mr mels commitment to what i presumed was a genuine one-from-the-heart project.

And then i saw this

http://www.sharethepassionofthechrist.com/

It's no surprise to me. They are merely tie-in's with the movie, that were actually out before the movie even hit theatres.

This is just good ol' pop culture mass marketing at work.

Originally posted by BackFire

But you do understand that A LOT of people do?
And I'm in the process of reading the bible for the first time. So hopefully I'll see those things you mentioned soon enough.

Anyways, CA, you, and Christians like you are the ones I have no problem with. It's the literal ones that preach to everyone about how if they don't believe what they do, they are damned to hell.

I know a lot of people do take it word for word, subsequently forgetting that times change. I'm glad that there's nothing in there that suggests slavery is good for the economy, heh. Thanks for understanding, and hearin' me out.

As for masturbation..😱 ..the act itself not covered in the Bible, as it basically falls under "adultry". Now, if you "do the deed", and think of an inanimate object, like, oh, say a table..I think you're scott free.

Originally posted by Cinemaddiction
if you "do the deed", and think of an inanimate object, like, oh, say a table..I think you're scott free.

I'll let you know how that works out for me.

haha.

"I know a lot of people do take it word for word, subsequently forgetting that times change. I'm glad that there's nothing in there that suggests slavery is good for the economy, heh. Thanks for understanding, and hearin' me out. "

No problem, my friend. Sorry if you took anything I said as an insult in anyway. Never meant anything against you personally.

group hug.

Not wise, Zero. I haven't gotten any in a few days...and I'm not picky...

this might help