Lucas confirms......sort of

(shrugs)

Memory loss is a cheap trick but it works. But my bet has always been that any continuity issues like this will simply not be directly addressed.

Until we know more about how the ghost thing is addressed in III, though, we can only wildly speculate.

Originally posted by Anakin2Vader
you just changed his quote man... he said original, as in previous, as in he had one Identity as Anakin then another as The black masked Vader

And we already know that when Anakin awakes he is told of what has happened and becomes furious... if he had no memory he would just be like who is Padme and who cares.

that is exactly the point i make a2v,
anakin IS vader. vader feels anakin's pain. anakin's pain turns him into vader. thus, his original identity should be non-existant at that point.
he is CHANGED into vader.

lucas implies that the "good man" retains his I.D.
which means that vader is IN NO WAY anakin.

so in other words, there was no struggle to return to the good side.
anakin just kind of "wakes up", which i think is lame

I think it acctually does make sense that he would learn it as a Jedi with Obi Wan and Yoda... it must be a tool of only the light side... if Vader had never known the trick then did he learn it in between ANH and ROTJ? if so from who?... certainly not Palpatine... If this is only a Jedi trick then he must have learned it from Jedi as a Jedi

Ummm......

Anakin buried himself in the persona of Darth Vader and his is what brings him out of it and back to the lightside. That's always been the story.....

his son, sorry.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
(shrugs)

Memory loss is a cheap trick but it works.

THANK YOU

it is cheap, very VERY cheap.
and it may work in robocop, or some crappy soap opera,
but this is star wars. its just such a lame cliche plot twist.

I don't think its memory loss, just a lack of knowledge...

Originally posted by PVS

so in other words, there was no struggle to return to the good side.
anakin just kind of "wakes up", which i think is lame

I dont know how you can make that assumption... Its very clear there is a struggle, (tell your sister she was right) Vaders struggle between the light and Dark side is really what the OT comes down to.

GL is just saying that he is able to retreive his full self again before any injuries...Shaw had no injuries when he returned also so already we know that it is possible to come back different from your final form

Originally posted by Cipher
Ummm......

Anakin buried himself in the persona of Darth Vader and his is what brings him out of it and back to the lightside. That's always been the story.....

RIGHT, so there IS NO ANAKIN, he buried himself.
his IDENTITY is not pure, not retained, it is "twisted and evil"

anakin gives in to his hate.
he is blinded by hate, and the dark side.
in the last scene of RotJ, he comes to the realization that
his son is about to die at the hands of his master, thus anakin comes
full circle, lets go of his hate, sacrifices himself, and saves his son.

Originally posted by Cipher
I don't think its memory loss, just a lack of knowledge...

if he knew it when he was anakin, and suddenly doesnt, thats memory loss.

believe me, "lack of knowledge" would be the way i would prefer it.

not this "oops, i forgot" nonesense

Well, Anakin is there. He just can't reconcile what he's become which should be reinforced in the awakening scene when he gets the armor.

But that seems off--topic to me.....

I feel that this explains the presence of Ani's ghost on Endor. And its restored and youthful state....

'I am your father' is the cheapest of all soap opera tricks. In fact, much of Star Wars is built on obvious plotting that is rather the point. There really is too much fretting going on here.

That revelation wasn't obvious then.....

But you're right, we'll see.....

Depends on how this handled in Ep.3

Originally posted by Ushgarak
'I am your father' is the cheapest of all soap opera tricks.

still knocked you out of your seat the first time you heard it though, didnt it?😉

cheap tricks are ok if they do the job, not just to change a part of an already existing plot which needs no changing.

By lack of knowledge, I meant the ghost part. Unless someone else becomes a ghost and Anakin sees them, this doesn't seem to contradict established facts...

DAMN...it makes no sense anyway.

anakin has already fallen to the dark side BEFORE he hits the lava.

ush is right, it could all be inaccurate info, so im done here.
its only making my blood boil with rage against GL,
so i will just pray that its either

A-exagerated
or
B-total BS

This seems to have come from a misunderstanding of the article. Anakin knew it was theoretically possible to join the Force at death. He never saw it done till he was Vader. Then uses it himself when he's dying. He doesn't use it before he's put into the suit.......

"Anakin learned -- to retain his "original identity" -- before he was resurrected as the black-masked master of evil."

Right. It doesn't say he tried it. Because if he did, and Vader's a shell, then you're right about it being a bad idea. But that would contradict the basis of the OT.