Powerful with the Force (updated)

Ok, I havnt read the books with Kyp in it, but i have read some quotes from the books and they state that Kyp was not possed by Exar Kun, and that he beat luke only under Kun's influence and Kyp beat him anyway. And the only reason luke beat Vader was because he was using the darkside, as Obi-wan was in episode 1 against darth maul.

There's a chart somewhere showing peoples' midi Chlorian count, I'm sure Anakin Skywalker was the stongest but Darth Vadar lost some of it when he lost limbs. I think this meant that Luke was indeed stronger than Vader or the Emporer then.

Yoda admits that the current jedi are nowhere near as powerful as they used to be, so I interpret that as saying that the TOTJ jedi were more powerful.

I would rank it like this:

FILMS:
1.Palpy
2.Anakin (pre-lava)
3.Yoda
4.Windu
5.Dooku
6.ROTS Obi-Wan
7.ROTJ Luke
8.Vader (post-lava)

EU:
1.Marka Ragnos
2.Exar-Kun
3.Palpy
4.NJO Luke
5.Anakin (pre-lava)
6.Freedon Nadd
7.Darth Bane
8.Revan
9.Vodo Baas
10.Ulic Qel Droma
11.Vima Sunrider
12.Kyp Durron
13.Jacen Solo
14.Nomi Sunrider
15.Yoda
16.Anakin Skywalker II
17.Darth Vader (post-lava)
18.Windu
19.Dooku
20.Jania Solo

Okay, Luke Skywalker (half trained or not) still beat Darth Vader, something all the Jedi who got purged couldn't do and don't say he was weak, because he still could have made his robot body faster like Grievous. He is a technical genius afterall.

the only reason he beat vader though is because vader was never supposed to beat luke, just make him angry, that was the point. if palpy gave the order to slaughter him, luke would be pushin up daisies

Revan

Originally posted by jackstain
the only reason he beat vader though is because vader was never supposed to beat luke, just make him angry, that was the point. if palpy gave the order to slaughter him, luke would be pushin up daisies

well first it wasnt pathetic, second, um at the point where he defeats him, he's not trying to convert anyone, he's in a blind rage because darth vader pissed him off to no end. he isnt thinking about much of anything,save for killing darth vader. uh thank you 😉

Well, ya he was in a rage which really boosted his power, but he still didnt want to kill Vader just defeat him. The only reason I said it was pathetic was because Luke beat him in about 40 seconds of his blind rage and all throughout the fight Vader didnt even get close to touching him except for the lightsaber throw, which was a pretty good move.

because he wasnt trying to! if he wanted him to die, he would kill him! dont u get it?

I get it...

thank you snake eyes

I always imagined that anakin was much less powerful after the lava incident

why? grievous is a robot, he doesnt seem too weak?

Weak enough to be destroyed

Originally posted by jackstain
because he wasnt trying to! if he wanted him to die, he would kill him! dont u get it?

Not true man, if Vader wouldn't have known Luke was his son he would have ended his genetic line right then and there.

exactly^^

luke is a weiner

You know, I debated on this one awhile. Of what I know, (And granted, it's not as much as I'd like) I'd have to nominate NJO Luke for this award. As much as I like and respect old Force users like Yoda, Revan, and Exar Kun, from what I've heard Luke becomes quite the BAMF.

uGH...Revan was created in a game!!!it makes me angry that hes considered this all time great.