The hardcore fans vs the idiot writers?

Originally posted by demigawd
That's why you have to take averages into consideration. Doom took a shot from Thanos with the IG and lived. Doom also got shortsircuited by Squirrel Girl. Doom took a shot from Beyonder. Doom's armor also got overloaded by Luke Cage. The solution is simple - disregard them all and look to consistency in the bulk of his showings. That puts Doom's armor at around Iron Man's level - the ability to hold off CL100 strength for a limited amount of time.

We should really take that approach with all characters.

Yea, I totally agree with you. But my question is this: these guys are getting paid (pretty well I'd think) to write about these characters, would it kill them to thumb through a some of the old books?

Originally posted by TheKahn
Yea, I totally agree with you. But my question is this: these guys are getting paid (pretty well I'd think) to write about these characters, would it kill them to thumb through a some of the old books?

The thing is - it's really easy to extrapolate. You've been on these boards long enough to see it before your eyes. People look at a scan and interpret it multiple ways - some of those ways suggest a power that other people would insist doesn't exist because they interpret the scan a totally different way.

Originally posted by demigawd
The thing is - it's really easy to extrapolate. You've been on these boards long enough to see it before your eyes. People look at a scan and interpret it multiple ways - some of those ways suggest a power that other people would insist doesn't exist because they interpret the scan a totally different way.

*coughwolverinecough*

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Originally posted by demigawd
The thing is - it's really easy to extrapolate. You've been on these boards long enough to see it before your eyes. People look at a scan and interpret it multiple ways - some of those ways suggest a power that other people would insist doesn't exist because they interpret the scan a totally different way.

I agree that there will always be a degree of uncertainity and personal interpretation when it comes to both fans and writers. Reasonable people can disagree and both have logical reasoning, but sometimes writers exhibit extreme levels of either stupidity or ignorance that is unbelieveable.

A good example is Adamantum. It a simple concept of being a unbreakable, indestructible metal. Simple enough. Now what do writers do? Well, they have somebody break or destroy it, of course. Then they have to come up with the concept of "secondary" adamantum to cover their asses.

I tend to give the fans a little more slack because they might be just casual fans who might not know all the showings of every character or may be misled by the bad writing.

Hardcore fans... you gotta respect continuity but in a vs. respect sometimes people are just wrong.

Originally posted by TheKahn
I agree that there will always be a degree of uncertainity and personal interpretation when it comes to both fans and writers. Reasonable people can disagree and both have logical reasoning, but sometimes writers exhibit extreme levels of either stupidity or ignorance that is unbelieveable.

True...there's a lot of creative license applied to certain characters. The problem is that for some characters, there's never been a real precedent set. Wolverine is a good example. How strong is he....really? The truth is, it's unknown. For every human-level strength feat, there's a meta-level strength feat. If I were a writer for Wolverine...where do I put him when there's an almost even split in his strength level. What becomes the base upon which I build my interpretation of the character? And the older a character is, the bigger the problem.

A good example is Adamantum. It a simple concept of being a unbreakable, indestructible metal. Simple enough. Now what do writers do? Well, they have somebody break or destroy it, of course. Then they have to come up with the concept of "secondary" adamantum to cover their asses.

True, and that can be both abused and used well. Abused in the case of Doom, because it's the case of a fanboy writer wanting his character to be unbeatable, so he took license to retcon everything that makes his favorite look bad with the cursed Doombot. Used well in the case of SOME Thanos feats. Thanos losing to Kazar should have never happened - the Thanosbot was necessary to preserve the integrity of the character.

I tend to give the fans a little more slack because they might be just casual fans who might not know all the showings of every character or may be misled by the bad writing.

I just see writers as fans with paychecks and power. They're prone to the same failings. And that's what makes the editors' jobs so important. They're the voice of consistency, and I fault them for most of the problems plaguing characters.

Originally posted by demigawd
That's why you have to take averages into consideration. Doom took a shot from Thanos with the IG and lived. Doom also got shortsircuited by Squirrel Girl. Doom took a shot from Beyonder. Doom's armor also got overloaded by Luke Cage. The solution is simple - disregard them all and look to consistency in the bulk of his showings. That puts Doom's armor at around Iron Man's level - the ability to hold off CL100 strength for a limited amount of time.

We should really take that approach with all characters.

Agreed .... Therefore Thor cannot lift objects the size of planets, and Herc cannot move the Island of Manhattan , Thanos and the Silver Surfer cannot destroy planets , Gladiator cannot move at 100 x the speed of light and destroy planets with single hits ..... D.C. moves at the speed of time

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