Originally posted by Jedi Priestess
I assume you dont hunt much? I personally own a 30-06 rifle that I use for deer hunting and a 20 gauge automatic for dove hunting. I keep them unloaded and locked up in a gun safe when I am not hunting with them and I tend think Im a pretty civilized gal myself.
JP......
The truth is the exact opposite !
I have been a gun-user for most of my life !
I hunt and cull Red Deer with my 7.62 Mauser about once a month and I own a beautiful Luigi-Franchi semi-auto 12 bore shotgun ( legally altered so as to fire only three shots instead of five ). I used to own a very valuable Krupps-made triple-barrel 16 bore that had it's third 7.62 rifle barrel underneath the two shot-barrels. I sold it as I had no need for it.
I have used handguns overtly and concealed during my time abroad in the British Civil Service so I do understand what it is like to be firearms-aware.
I still think that only service personel, ( NOT ordinary civilian police ), should have access to legal firearms and that we should strive as hard as we can to disarm the criminals. Of course if we want to do this we SHOULD have - and do have - a special elite force within the police that are capable of using firearms safely and effectively too.
PS....The specialist group in the British Met' used to be called SO11 and now the groups from SO1 to SO11 are now called SCD !
this is the thing about guns in America. stats show that percentage wise most of gun crimes are committed with illegally obtained ones. assualt rifles have been illegal and what not yet there were still Ak's, m16's tech 9's on the streets. maybe i sound a little naive, but i dont think that someone would go out and purchase one of these weapons, that is going to be registered in every way, even ballistically(gun version of fingerprinting, or when the keep convicted rapists DNA on file) just to commit a crime.
Yes, I heard about this in the news yesterday. Before the ban was put in effect the US had some 16000 gun-killings each year. After it went down to some 10000.
So – from a country having next to NO gun-killings AND strict legislation I think it is a terrible idea.
Illegal guns – well, where do they COME from? If you WANT a gun here in DK it’s very hard, not altogether impossible, but you can’t go into a mall and buy one.
With the high number of shootings in the US – compared to other countries – one should think that guns are indeed a problem.
Link> No, GUNS do kill people. Without a gun in your hand, you’ll find it harder to kill me. You can, if you really want to – but a gun is a LETHAL weapon. And it has no OTHER uses in society than killing.
And we ARE discussing gun-legislation in the US in this thread. Stop taking thinking it’s against YOU personally, if some of us disagree with US legislation.
Originally posted by mc pee pants
click the link fellas... it says the ban had already expired.and f*ck the NRA. the NRA held a gun convention in columbine ten days or so after the shooting (maybe sooner, can't put my finger on it).and f*ck charlton heston. all these redneck bastards wanna do is shoot at something. the only good thing about the NRA is the fact that these gun owners are registered.
Well, is their right to own guns. Now, I myself support Charles Heston. Heck, I consider him more like a real President than Bush or Clinton. No, is not only rednecks. I betcha they have members that are Asian, Hispanic, and Blacks. Besides the NRA does condemn people who own guns illegially. I'm glad the ban is over. Now, there will be stricted laws agains ppl that own guns illegally. Guns are lethal weapons and so are many things. What? you only need guns to kill people? Come on! anyone can use almost anything to kill another person. The thing with guns is that they are lethal than let's say a katana.
This all means that the ban is over and most likely heavier penalties will be apply to those that own guns without permits.
The OmegaYes, I heard about this in the news yesterday. Before the ban was put in effect the US had some 16000 gun-killings each year. After it went down to some 10000.
So – from a country having next to NO gun-killings AND strict legislation I think it is a terrible idea.Illegal guns – well, where do they COME from? If you WANT a gun here in DK it’s very hard, not altogether impossible, but you can’t go into a mall and buy one.
With the high number of shootings in the US – compared to other countries – one should think that guns are indeed a problem.Link> No, GUNS do kill people. Without a gun in your hand, you’ll find it harder to kill me. You can, if you really want to – but a gun is a LETHAL weapon. And it has no OTHER uses in society than killing.
And we ARE discussing gun-legislation in the US in this thread. Stop taking thinking it’s against YOU personally, if some of us disagree with US legislation.
Agreed. Good critical thinking and reasoning, that's what's needed, not the old we have a right to bare arms speech. That was written into the constitution back in the days when the U.S. had a weak military force and there were no police officers to protect citizens.
WinddancerWhat? you only need guns to kill people? Come on! anyone can use almost anything to kill another person. The thing with guns is that they are lethal than let's say a katana.
This all means that the ban is over and most likely heavier penalties will be apply to those that own guns without permits.
I also agree with you Omega on the subject of whether guns kill people or people kill people. With a gun, I or anyone can take a life with the pull of a trigger and do it in a clean, effective way. If I had a knife, bat, crowbar, or kitanna, I going to actually have to get close to the person to inflict damage and kill them. And they actually have a chance to survive by fighting back with rocks/bricks, stick, bat, mace, etc or run as fast a they can. With guns, it' the bullets that chases after the person - not the murderer. An effective killing instrument - thus so popular among criminals.
Originally posted by WindDancer
Well, is their right to own guns. Now, I myself support Charles Heston. Heck, I consider him more like a real President than Bush or Clinton. No, is not only rednecks. I betcha they have members that are Asian, Hispanic, and Blacks. Besides the NRA does condemn people who own guns illegially. I'm glad the ban is over. Now, there will be stricted laws agains ppl that own guns illegally. Guns are lethal weapons and so are many things. What? you only need guns to kill people? Come on! anyone can use almost anything to kill another person. The thing with guns is that they are lethal than let's say a katana.This all means that the ban is over and most likely heavier penalties will be apply to those that own guns without permits.
again, all apologies about the redneck comment. and i'm pretty sure that the members of the NRA consists of probably one of the most diverse members.
JulieIn all honesty, most people will not buy assault rifles to begin with....as a general rule those suckers are hard to hide...there is the chance one will be used in a deadly shooting preplanned, premeditated, and all the rest, but I'd rather see it coming than get shot by a hidden pistol....
Would seeing it matter if they drove by, pointed it out the window, and pulled the triggers thus sending rounds of bullets everywhere in your direction?
And if most people will not buy them, why make them legal? Your argument is basically that most of those who do would be criminals. So are you in support of making it legal for a few law abiding citizens who want them to buy and the rest easily accessable for the criminals?
Originally posted by The Omega
Yes, I heard about this in the news yesterday. Before the ban was put in effect the US had some 16000 gun-killings each year. After it went down to some 10000.
So – from a country having next to NO gun-killings AND strict legislation I think it is a terrible idea.Illegal guns – well, where do they COME from? If you WANT a gun here in DK it’s very hard, not altogether impossible, but you can’t go into a mall and buy one.
With the high number of shootings in the US – compared to other countries – one should think that guns are indeed a problem.Link> No, GUNS do kill people. Without a gun in your hand, you’ll find it harder to kill me. You can, if you really want to – but a gun is a LETHAL weapon. And it has no OTHER uses in society than killing.
And we ARE discussing gun-legislation in the US in this thread. Stop taking thinking it’s against YOU personally, if some of us disagree with US legislation.
Very well said. 👆 There are 60% more killings when the ban is not in effect... yeah, it's a great idea to expire it. 😐
Just going off on a tangent here slightly. It kind of makes me laugh that there are places in the world where it is illegal to own weapons such as Nunchaku, even if your a registered and insured martial arts practitioner, but you can legally own and shoot a gun without being trained to use it safely. 😑
Forgive me but isnt that just a little 💃 💃
Re: Clinton's gun-ban has been lifted !
Originally posted by Papaumau
While in office President Clinton banned the sale or purchase of assault-weapons and sub-machine guns but now that he is no longer in control his opponents have repealed this law making the buying of the likes of AK47's and Uzi sub-machine guns legal again.The gun-lobby said that the banning of such weapons was "damaging to our civil-liberties" !
WELL...I am a Brit and I am proud that we have some of the strongest legislation in the world against the ordinary public owning and using firearms:
As American youth, ( most of you ), do you feel that the free sale of assault weapons or other guns is a good thing or do you think that it is time that America gave up it's love-affair with firearms ?
cowboy YE-HAH! I'm gonna go shoot me some gay critters!
The ban didn't do anything to prevent or lower any form of crime. Victims with multiple wounds, multiple victims, etc. It was solely based on cosmetic features. It also DID NOT have anything to do with fully-automatic firearms. A real AK-47 is still very difficult to obtain. Semi-automatic variants on the other hand can be purchased easily for about $300 (U.S.). They could be even when the ban was in affect. I know because I bought one (a SAR-1). I don't use it for hunting, because I don't hunt, although with a legal 5-round magazine it would not be an unusual hunting firearm. What I do use it for is pulverizing tin cans and paper targets. You really don't get much more fun than that. Also, haven't several recent studies shown Great Britain's criminal rates starting to approach those of the United States? Like that in Australia too. One last thing. Assault rifles where only used in about 1-2% of crimes before the ban, and because this figure went down slightly it does not mean that lives were saved. Overall deaths were the same.