ITS CONFIRMED!!! vader IS "Robocop!"

In a recent thread, I expressed my beleif that anakin skywalker DIES in EPIII. I beleive Palpatine "resurrects" him as darth vader. The crux behind that theory lies in the fact that i have never been satisfied with any explainations as to why GL introduced midichlorians in EPI. It just didnt make sense to me, UNLESS GL was trying to get accross the idea that a high midichlorian count=a powerful jedi. Since midchlorians are seperate beings than an actual person, it stands to beleive that they could remain alive for some time, after the "host" dies.

What am I getting to, and why do I feel my theory is now confirmed? Check out what i just saw on theforce.net, where the changes to the OT DVD's are discussed.

Empire Strikes Back:
- 50'56" to 52'05" : Emperor's hologram has been reshot with Ian Mc Dairmid. A new dialog has been recorded and Palpatine informs Vader about Luke's real identity!

Why would anakin SKYWALKER need the emperor to tell him that luke SKYWALKER, someone from his home planet, was his son?

The answer is simple, Vader doesnt REMEMBER that he is anakin. why not? because he died, and was resurrected.

but what about in ROTJ when luke is talking to vader about his old identity and says something like
"i know you were once anakin skywalker"

to which vader replies

"that name no longer means anything to me"

i respect your theory, but it is still not fact.
calling the thread "confirmed" is way premature.

also contemplate this:

beginning of ESB, vader says "thats it. the rebels are there, and i am sure young SKYWALKER is with them.

later, palpatine says "i am sure that the rebel who destroyed the deathstar is the offspring of ANAKIN SKYWALKER" a name vader recognises as his own.

so, vader knows he is a skywalker, and he knows that luke is a skywalker...do the math.

err nope....you forget GL has said repeatedly that SW is the story of Anakin...hardly true if he dies and becomes "Robo cop" not to mention what happens when Luke removes the mask at the end of ROTJ. How do you explain that? That he turns back into a human after he's been a machine? Just doesnt wash for me.

do you know anything about robocop? anakins BODY is under the vader suit. his "soul" if you want to call it that, is still there, but b/c he is "more machine now than man," anakin skywalker is buried deep within. as far as the quotes from ESB, the dialog was CHANGED. everything seems to fit that befor ESB, vader does not know (or remmeber) that HE is anakin.

Yes I DO know Robocop......and I realise that it's been said that he is more machine than man, but I prefer to think of it that the dark side has it's grip fully upon him and THATS what makes him forget his true self. I still am not buying your theory interesting as it may be.....of course Im willing to meet you back here next May and see who turns out to be right.

When Luke says that Skywalker is the name of Vader's true self and that he's only "forgotten" it, he wasn't being literal.

inconclusive, nonbias, nonopinionated, solid proof is in my last post.
take it or leave it, but the script is the script.

Originally posted by PVS
inconclusive, nonbias, nonopinionated, solid proof is in my last post.
take it or leave it, but the script is the script.

psst!...I think everyone is agreeing with you.

well, it was not aimed at anyone captain.

im just saying that there is no point giving this thread any
more life than it deserves.

Why would the midichlorian-driven, dark side powered corpse of Darth Vader turn on the Emperor at the end of RotJ and save Luke? Why would Vader want to have his mask removed to gaze upon Luke with his own eyes? Why would Vader say he has been saved by Luke? Was Anakin suddenly reborn in the "robocop" body right before the body died? After 20+ years did his amnesia finally clear up with a shot of lightning to the head?

It's a cool theory, I'll admit, but the end of RotJ doesn't jive with it.

This is 'confirmed' in an interesting sense of the word meaning 'not even vaguely confirmed at all'. Please don't call a theory of yours confirmation in the thread title as that only serves to confuse. Confirmed is if Lucasfilm says it is so.

PVS is correct; if Vader did not know he was Anakin he wouldn't have recognised that Luke is his son.

yeah, all anakin did was take on a new persona. kinda of like how batman talks about bruce wayne (himself) like they are two different people.

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did you not even read the post, ush? PALPATINE tells Vader/Anakin that Luke is his son! why would Palpatine tell Vader something he didnt know?

According to the quote from theforce.net, vader doesnt know luke is his son until Palpatine tells him

Originally posted by bigsef3
did you not even read the post, ush? PALPATINE tells Vader/Anakin that Luke is his son! why would Palpatine tell Vader something he didnt know?

According to the quote from theforce.net, vader doesnt know luke is his son until Palpatine tells him

Because he thinks Padme died before giving birth. Therefore, he thinks he has no kids and it must just be a coincidence that Luke has the same last name. Or he might think "I'm related to this twerp. I wonder how." And Palps is letting him know, "you had a kid survive your force tantrum with Padme."

Originally posted by bigsef3
did you not even read the post, ush? PALPATINE tells Vader/Anakin that Luke is his son! why would Palpatine tell Vader something he didnt know?

According to the quote from theforce.net, vader doesnt know luke is his son until Palpatine tells him

he read your post, i read your post, everyone here read your post. it's proven wrong in the script.

Originally posted by bigsef3
did you not even read the post, ush?

jawdrop

as for me, my only gripe with Ush is that he forgot to close this thread 😆