Originally posted by Big Sexy
Thats pushing it
Not really. A full-powered non-jobbing Darkseid is literally on Galactus' level of power:
Powers and abilities
In addition to the considerable military forces at his command, Darkseid himself is quite formidable. His main power is the Omega Beam or Omega Effect, which is fired from his eyes. The Omega Effect is not only a powerful attack, but can teleport the target anywhere Darkseid chooses, erase the target from existence instantly and can then restore the target if he chooses. The Omega Effect is not limited to traveling in straight lines, able to bend or twist as needed. It can traverse time and different universes, and go through some barriers such as Orion's body. In JLU episode Destroyer, according to Darkseid, Batman becomes the only person to ever avoid his Omega Beam. When he attempts to find out if Lex Luthor is as agile as Batman, Luthor runs away.
Darkseid also possesses super strength, super speed, and super stamina. He has overpowered the demon Etrigan, and Lobo hurt his hand by punching Darkseid's face.
Darkseid has the ability to transmute matter. He turned Ol-Vir, a Daxamite, into dust, soap into dirt, and Slo-bo into a statue. He can teleport, himself and others-He has moved entire planets. He also has mind control greater than that of Sleez, being able to control three million or more Daxamites. According to Orion, he can travel through time as easily as any god. He can create life, as he did when he created Stayne.
Lets not forget the OB does not work on an individual who is vital to the universe. I know kirby wanted them to be equal but it didn't happen that way. Any until a retcon is placed, the one that recently lost to Superman was the real deal. So was the one with Gog. He is the man but he's not on that level.
Originally posted by Big Sexy
Lets not forget the OB does not work on an individual who is vital to the universe. I know kirby wanted them to be equal but it didn't happen that way. Any until a retcon is placed, the one that recently lost to Superman was the real deal. So was the one with Gog. He is the man but he's not on that level.
Read this:
Recent characterizations
Darkseid in 'Seven Soldiers' Mr. Miracle.Although Darkseid had previously been written as a near-unbeatable and omnipotent foe, his recent characterizations have shown him to be massively powered down as a result of the more personal enmity his animated version has for Superman. While he still far outstrips his animated counterpart in strength, speed and stamina, the level to which he has been reduced places him at comparable tier of power to the comic version of Superman. In one instance, his Omega Effect is deflected by Wonder Woman's bracelets, a feat that normally would have been impossible according to previous continuity.
In Grant Morrison's 2005 Mister Miracle miniseries, it was revealed that Darkseid finally discovered the Anti-Life Equation, which he then used to destroy the Fourth World altogether. The New Gods fled to Earth, where they hid: Highfather and his followers are now a group of homeless people, Metron is an epileptic, the Black Racer is an old white man in a wheelchair, Desaad is an evil psychiatrist, Granny Goodness is a pimp for the Female Furies, and Darkseid himself is now an evil businessman who is referred to only as 'Dark Side'. How much of this change is actual, or how much a re-imagining of the New Gods as archetypes of the real world is unclear.
Lets put it this way. Galactus has created heralds that are each Superman level. He has been stated to be able to destroy the universe ten times over. He has created threats like Tyrant and his powers are used to keep the universal threat of Abraxus at bay. Whey hes not jobbing he is a high tier in the universe. You mean to tell me that Darkseid is on that level. ( No offense but bullshit )
Originally posted by Big Sexy
Lets put it this way. Galactus has created heralds that are each Superman level. He has been stated to be able to destroy the universe ten times over. He has created threats like Tyrant and his powers are used to keep the universal threat of Abraxus at bay. Whey hes not jobbing he is a high tier in the universe. You mean to tell me that Darkseid is on that level. ( No offense but bullshit )
The whole universe destroying thing 10x over thing is just speculation considering we haven't actually seen a full-powered Galactus in comics. We only know that version of him exists because of word of mouth from Eternity and we really have nothing to go on but that. We don't know if Eternity was just using hyperbol because we haven't seen him do anything. Now with that said, I ment to say earlier that a full-powered Darkseid is on the level of power that a NORMAL powered Galactus is at. Not the full-powered one (even though we only know he exists because of Eternity talking). If what Eternity said about a full-powered Galactus is true (which we don't know if it is, thinking so is just speculation because we have nothing to go on), then hell no a full-powered Dark Seid is not on that level of power. He is however, on the level of a normal-powered Galactus.
Originally posted by batdude123
The whole universe destroying thing 10x over thing is just speculation considering we haven't actually seen a full-powered Galactus in comics. We only know that version of him exists because of word of mouth from Eternity and we really have nothing to go on but that. We don't know if Eternity was just using hyperbol because we haven't seen him do anything. Now with that said, I ment to say earlier that a full-powered Darkseid is on the level of power that a NORMAL powered Galactus is at. Not the full-powered one (even though we only know he exists because of Eternity talking). If what Eternity said about a full-powered Galactus is true (which we don't know if it is, thinking so is just speculation because we have nothing to go on), then hell no a full-powered Dark Seid is not on that level of power. He is however, on the level of a normal-powered Galactus.
Originally posted by batdude123
You don't seem to realize that Darkseid has also created his own type of army to do his biding for him as well. As for him not being able to take on the heralds of Galactus, yes he could.
Originally posted by Kon El
Actually he's right. during the crossover he was like "GO MINIONS" and they did... their numbers were endless and they alone over-powered SS.