Not sure where all this "semi-punk" stuff came from.
The way I see it, punk was a very specific thing. One of the very few phenomena that did actually extend beyond music and into life. What I have come to understand of punk, what it truly meant to people like John Lydon etc, is dead now. Has been for a very long time and will never come back.
Anti-authority music isn't punk, it's just anti-authority music. Punk, real punk, will never come back because it was in the end, enhanced by the time era it was born in. A time that has long gone. The politics, the cultural climate back then was what spawned punk. The Sex Pistols were as rebellious as they were because they were actually unhappy and genuinely pissed off with life, the way they were being told to live it and the powers that be. They wanted to change it so they made as much noise as they could in the direction of those they felt were oppressing them in the hopes their voices would be heard. Much like the true grunge pioneers, Layne Staley etc. These people, much like the original punk pioneers, were genuinely fed up, sad, and depressed with life to the point that it (metaphorically) killed them.
"Punk" bands now who go around being "rebels" are not punk bands, nor are they rebels. If you're rebelling against everything, you're not rebelling, technically. You're just conforming to something else. Rebelling, being depressed and such means nothing if you've got no reason to be relating to either.
Punk was born by a situation that no longer exists and hasn't existed since. So nothing since punk, has been punk.
"Punk was something to survive through. Me being called The King of the Punks wasn't something I wanted, because punk wasn't a good term back then. I didn't want that title, but it was an era in my life that was extremely important and back then, we were nobodies. So to have Johnny Come-Lately stroll along nowadays and try to take what we made possible from nothing, I'll fight to the death for it." - John Lydon.
-AC
meh, i think that nirvana, garbage, and even fricken Beck have more in common with what punk truly was in the 70's and 80's than all of the self procaimed punk crap that's out nowadays. especially the shit that spells it "punk rawk" like yellow card, ashlee simpson, blink 182, avril lavigne, good charlotte and the rest of that worthless shit. and locally you've got bands that all sound either like blink 182, or like a cross between the supertones, minor threat, and the circle jerks, hence defining punk as a "particular sound". Then the shows are ruined by either the preppy blind 182 mohawked football players, punk zealot Crass fans who quote ben weasil like he's god, read maximumrocknroll, and think Jello Biafra deserved having his legs broken, and the usual neonazi skinheads who's purpose in breathing I question and would fit in more at a Skrewdriver or RAHOWA show.
That's why modern "punk" sucks ian stewart's rotting corpse.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Not sure where all this "semi-punk" stuff came from.The way I see it, punk was a very specific thing. One of the very few phenomena that did actually extend beyond music and into life. What I have come to understand of punk, what it truly meant to people like John Lydon etc, is dead now. Has been for a very long time and will never come back.
Anti-authority music isn't punk, it's just anti-authority music. Punk, real punk, will never come back because it was in the end, enhanced by the time era it was born in. A time that has long gone. The politics, the cultural climate back then was what spawned punk. The Sex Pistols were as rebellious as they were because they were actually unhappy and genuinely pissed off with life, the way they were being told to live it and the powers that be. They wanted to change it so they made as much noise as they could in the direction of those they felt were oppressing them in the hopes their voices would be heard. Much like the true grunge pioneers, Layne Staley etc. These people, much like the original punk pioneers, were genuinely fed up, sad, and depressed with life to the point that it (metaphorically) killed them.
"Punk" bands now who go around being "rebels" are not punk bands, nor are they rebels. If you're rebelling against everything, you're not rebelling, technically. You're just conforming to something else. Rebelling, being depressed and such means nothing if you've got no reason to be relating to either.
Punk was born by a situation that no longer exists and hasn't existed since. So nothing since punk, has been punk.
"Punk was something to survive through. Me being called The King of the Punks wasn't something I wanted, because punk wasn't a good term back then. I didn't want that title, but it was an era in my life that was extremely important and back then, we were nobodies. So to have Johnny Come-Lately stroll along nowadays and try to take what we made possible from nothing, I'll fight to the death for it." - John Lydon.
-AC
Punk is more then an attitude IMO, at least in the last 20 years or so. It may have originated as an attitude, but there is a musical side to punk as well, and that has been quite alive for the past 30 or so years. Punk might not be an appropriate term anymore, but really, I could care less about labels.
Punk evolved from an attitude to a genre.
Originally posted by Bierbommetje
Punk is more then an attitude IMO, at least in the last 20 years or so. It may have originated as an attitude, but there is a musical side to punk as well, and that has been quite alive for the past 30 or so years. Punk might not be an appropriate term anymore, but really, I could care less about labels.Punk evolved from an attitude to a genre.
Read my post again please. Then we can discuss further when you realise you just said what I did, but less.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Read my post again please. Then we can discuss further when you realise you just said what I did, but less.-AC
My comment was more specificaly about this part of your post:
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Punk was born by a situation that no longer exists and hasn't existed since. So nothing since punk, has been punk.
Punk was born out of the situation back then. That's is the origin of punk, that is the origin of the genre punk, which has existed since then and will probably excist for quite some time to come.
Same as blues having originated out of laborsongs, but blues still excists as a musical genre even though it's not being made as laboursongs anymore.