Originally posted by BadKitty
I don't believe there is a hell...I believe most of the bible is made up some stories were made with good intent as stories to learn from then demonized to control the populace
They werent written with good intent though, it says right in there about they are the only way and how everyone else isnt getting to heaven.
More of that in Romans-
13-For the hearers of the law are not righteous before God, but the doers of the law will be declared righteous.
14-So when Gentiles, who do not have the law, instinctively do what the law demands, they are a law to themselves even though they do not have the law.
15-They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts. Their concience testify in support of this.
Romans 2:13, 14 and 15
so by the Christian bible, absolutely Hes in heaven!
Originally posted by HiddenPotential
More of that in Romans-13-For the hearers of the law are not righteous before God, but the doers of the law will be declared righteous.
14-So when Gentiles, who do not have the law, instinctively do what the law demands, they are a law to themselves even though they do not have the law.
15-They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts. Their concience testify in support of this.Romans 2:13, 14 and 15
so by the Christian bible, absolutely Hes in heaven!
Except that Paul was talking about Christian Gentiles. Paul also says that idolaters will not inheret the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 6:9), and that would include Hindus.
Mahatma Gandhi is one of the most respected leaders of modern history. A Hindu, Ghandi nevertheless admired Jesus and often quoted from the Sermon on the Mount. Once when the missionary E. Stanley Jones met with Ghandi he asked him, "Mr. Ghandi, though you quote the words of Christ often, why is that you appear to so adamantly reject becoming his follower?"
Ghandi replied, "Oh, I don't reject your Christ. I love your Christ. It's just that so many of you Christians are so unlike your Christ."
Apparently Ghandi's rejection of Christianity grew out of an incident that happened when he was a young man practising law in South Africa. He had become attracted to the Christian faith, had studied the Bible and the teachings of Jesus, and was seriously exploring becoming a Christian. And so he decided to attend a church service. As he came up the steps of the large church where he intended to go, a white South African elder of the church barred his way at the door. "Where do you think you're going, kaffir?" the man asked Ghandi in a belligerent tone of voice.
Ghandi replied, "I'd like to attend worship here."
The church elder snarled at him, "There's no room for kaffirs in this church. Get out of here or I'll have my assistants throw you down the steps."
From that moment, Ghandi said, he decided to adopt what good he found in Christianity, but would never again consider becoming a Christian if it meant being part of the church.
-I hope that clears up some of your confusion.
-Also its ridiculous to even ask such a question, for obvious reasons.
In that case... Ghandi could be "judge under the law" since he had come to know the "law" himself.
From there, he could be able to recognize the "law of God" yet he refused, in some other way... if not directly.
But he could be "judge by the law of God"... Anyway, God is always good... He saves His people through His mercy. 🙂
Originally posted by Jury
In that case... Ghandi could be "judge under the law" since he had come to know the "law" himself.From there, he could be able to recognize the "law of God" yet he refused, in some other way... if not directly.
But he could be "judge by the law of God"... Anyway, God is always good... He saves His people through His mercy. 🙂
If he shows mercy why does he not accept everyone into his kingdom? And why did he not given the bible and the word of god, etc to everyone everywhere instead of having missionaries following soldiers and spread christianity by force?
Originally posted by HiddenPotential
Turbo-CajunBecause the whole thing is based on belief.
Belief to spread it, belief to believe it.
How is it spread by force?If god did exist, didnt he give you the Bible.
Ghandi loved jesus, whats your excuse.
You ask how Christianity is spread by force. If you are not familiar with the history of the indigenous people of North, Central, and South America I feel that is a failure on the part of your History teachers, and I really am sorry that I dont have the time to give you a play by play on the last 400 years of brutality spread by Christians. The fact is that "good christians" settling in America killed more innocent people than Hitler did. They did it under the banner of christianity and they were cold about it. I will not even try to explain to you why Christianity has been responsible for war and pain earlier before that, up till the point where it was created. Christians seem to think that they have found this loop hole that allows them to do what they want as long as they ask god to forgive later, while they act immorally and unjustly 6 days of the week and ask for mercy on the 7th, most people who have any real set of beliefs and are sincere about it care enough to live their life along those principles everyday, which is why i have more respect for a Buddhist monk who has spent ten years living in a monastery than some pedophile priest, and not only do i have more respect for them personally - I have more respect for their beliefs and what they are trying to represent. If Christians lived their lives according to the Bible I might concider it because it has demonstrated some level of the virtues it attepts to teach, but they as a whole do not live according to what their god says so why should I?
Chris·tian
adj.
1. Professing belief in Jesus as Christ or following the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.
2. Relating to or derived from Jesus or Jesus's teachings.
3. Manifesting the qualities or spirit of Jesus; Christlike.
Thats what a christian is.
Jesus never forced anyone to believe.
Originally posted by HiddenPotential
Chris·tian
adj. .....3. Manifesting the qualities or spirit of Jesus; Christlike....Jesus never forced anyone to believe.
So are you saying that everyone who has claimed to be christian who has forced thier religious beliefs onto others is not in fact a christian?