Yes it is from the EU. Although all EU material has to be approved by Lucas before it is published, so therefore is at least partly "lucas vision" orientated.
ALSO:
YODA: That place...is strong with the dark side of the Force. A domain of evil it is. In you must go.
Straights from the film, so my guess is that little bit of fact is actually part of Lucas' vision but not been touched on intamatly in the ESB.
But were getting off topic!!
well, we are going into EU here.
i only state the dagobah theory, because it makes sense from the dialogue.
"life creates it, makes it grow"
and the fact that luke picks up "massive life form readings"
and dagobah IS a swamp, i cant believe someone would argue that.
as far as the cave, im afraid it will never be explained.
perhaps its just a natural phenomenon that certain places be
strong with the dark side? who knows...nobody ever will unfortunately.
Originally posted by PVS
and dagobah IS a swamp, i cant believe someone would argue that.
Ignoring for a second the fact that the swamp may be a manifestation of the confusion the luke brings with him.... dagobah is a planet. Saying it's a swamp is like saying earth is a barren lifeless rock because you happen to be in the desert.
IF the way we see it is the way it actually is, (which is by no means certain) the supposition that it's all 100% swamp - just because it has no signs of habitation - is still ludicrous.
It is incredibly simple. If Leia did not know she was adopted, she would have said:
"What do you mean, my REAL mother?"
The scene, to anyone with any sense, is talking about her real mother as opposed to her adopted one. That is its very purpose.
And indeed Zero- in Star Wars logic, planets are one thing or another; they make no logical sense.
Originally posted by PVS
"its like...something out of a dream..."maybe it in fact was
Well in my nerdy corner of the universe its generally accepted that the area of Dagoba Luke is in looks like a swamp as a reflection of luke. It is not a "swamp planet" - Hence the line you quote above. It has the ability to produce outward manifestation of inner feelings or turmoil. it's like a dreamscape. (This effect also producing the vader dopleganger.)
It's always seemed obvious to me... and nothing i've read here changes my view.
my thoery touches on your theory, but i still think dogobah is a swamp...
i think that dagobah is simply strong with the force.
and since luke is so attuned to the force, it affects him.
i assume this based on yoda's line on how life creates the force
and makes it grow. that and the fact that luke picks up massive
life form readings.
i would think that it could make a force user with lack of control....'drunk
with the force' you might say.
so i agree that luke was hallucinating, when he saw the phantom vader.
when luke say's whats in there, yoda says "only what you take with you"
luke took with him his fear and anger along with his weapons.
that fear and anger manifested into the phantom vader.
as far as the dark side cave, i subscribe to the theory that
there is a light and dark side to the actual force, like night and day.
others think that the force is only one energy field and that it is up
to the user whether it be good or evil. but like i said, i think there is an
actual tangible darkside. i think that the lightside and darkside cannot exist
without eachother...somewhat similar to yin and yang.
anyway, with that said, since dagobah is so rich with the force,
perhaps pockets of high concentration of the dark side would be
a natural phenomenon. perhaps there was no dark jedi, just a naturally
occuring dark spot on the planet...
luke felt it before yoda suggested anything "i feel cold"
unless yoda was just manipulating the whole thing, and it was
just a regular cave...which is also possible i guess