]Nate Grey VS Thor[

hey but sorry if u found my previous post inflamatory...I wasnt calling you a fan boy, so much...i was just trying to express how fans shouting out opinions that are not based on comic book events get us nowhere... lots of people seem to like characters because they have the coolest costume or hair...they say a person can do something but they dont have any comic events to support it...Thats why i think its better to compare the two normal heroes, there is plenty of comic info to argue it in either direction, at least i know good reason's for either one to win...the maxed out Thor hasnt been fully explored and the maxed out x-man isnt explored at all, just conjectured...by the way, I brought up 3 solid examples of things Franklin has done to prove why he is the most powerful, those things actually happened in continuity and while he was between 2 and 8 years old (pre adolesent). Thus when Franklin grows up i think he will be more powerful than X-man maxed out...although he already kinda is...but i admit its just my opinion....but at least I have some facts too...there r no facts about x-man, he has never been maxed out yet....but if he does, i would place him just below dark phoenix

i have the idea that nate grey at full power would beat thor, but franklin richards at full power, no way, and dark phoenix to me is more powerful then nate.

ANd thor could never beat galactus where did you read that wrathofachilles?

I didn't say he beat him, I said he pushed him back with his godforce. Outside of Thanos, I don't think anyone has really 'beaten' Galactus, regardless of what Fantastic Four fans say *Ultimate Nullifier doesn't count, anyone can 'beat' him with that*, you can only repel him.

And I know you weren't referring to me Wynndar, but I consider myself a 'fanboy' of Thor for the simple fact that I'm a mythologist and Thor fits quite nicely into that. His "costume and hair" are actually pretty stupid...
But I wouldn't claim Thor can beat X-Man simply because I don't know X-Man well enough. I don't like him, but that's not sufficient reason to say he'd lose. I just don't know why he would be able to be one of the king of the gods considering their virtual unlimited power.

i wasnt attacking u at all...I was attacking people who were supportingNate Grey without anything to back it up

i attack people with old hot dogs from my balcony 🙂

regular Thor and regular X-man would be a good fight...I didnt want the discussion to be ruined by conjectures about a future X-man of unlimited power...In the marvel universe Odin is really powerful, just above Thanos...but Dark Phoenix goes around destroying star systems its not interesting to see her fight anyone

regular thanos cannot beat galactus, period.
you must be talking of thanos wi5th the infinet gauntlet or the heart.

must be...maybe trick Galactus....but by no means as powerful or intelligent...but i was very impressed with Thanos' fight against Tyrant...thats why i regard him as almost as powerful as a skyfather

Yea, i get wut ur sayin...its better to think of 'em both at normal power..though i still say nate takes this. i just find [in mutants] telepathy and telekinetics to be tha best type of powers and x-man is tha most powerfull of them all. plus being a teen, u could relate in many ways of how hes young, hot-tempered and a free spirit...plus his powers are jus ****in awesome - though they may not be as powerfull as dark pheonix or galactus...on earth, he pretty much owns everyone. and i'll get pissed if ppl argue atleast that, lol. so yea i am a fan and all, and duh i do think x-man would win but that is from my knowledge of how powerfull he is at normal levels. i dont kno much about thor at normal power, but from wut i read...i dont think hes near x-man

why do you think he can take anyone one earth?...that is a bold opinion...he is one of the most powerful mutants...but beat anyone one earth?...i wouldnt put him in my top five as far as earthlings go personally...and beating someone isnt always based on power...I think a long list of people could take the enexperienced x-man...he doesnt have any brains either so that leaves him extremely vulnerable

Dr.Doom or Reed could take him.

i think it would be a stalemate.

Nah, Nate Grey could whipe away everyone on earth if he wanted to with ease. He had enough power to re-distrubte it amongst all humans and mutants on the planet. Reed , in theory, would be smart enough to make something, given he has a few hours, days, probably weeks. And of course, Nate wouldnt give him that time if he really wanted him dead.

Potentially the joint forces of ALL the telepaths on Earth could take out nate long enough to get your heavy, heavy hitters out to stomp him a new one. One thing for sure, you'd need some pretty hard-asses to take him out.

Now; Thor however, isnt Human, nor Mutant xD Strongest version of Thor is SkyFather..something of a powerlevel that some people just do not want to accept.

Originally posted by wrathofachilles
Outside of Thanos, I don't think anyone has really 'beaten' Galactus.

This is incorrect. Rachel with the Phoenix Force whipped his ass, and she is not nearly as nasty as Dark Phoenix is.

At any rate, it occurred in this issue here:

Nate Grey as Shaman is not superior to Cable at full potential. Nate COULD be the most powerful psi, but capable of taking on ALL of the earth's psis? That's a bit much.

Originally posted by norrin radd
regular thanos cannot beat galactus, period.
you must be talking of thanos wi5th the infinet gauntlet or the heart.

Of course, that's what I meant, the IG story. I dn't consider anyone below Living Tribunal or Eternity able to match-up against Galactus without ultimate weapons. I don't care what the Fantastic Four did, they can't 'beat' Galactus. Doesn't it strike anyone else a little odd that they just HAPPENED to come upon the nifty-named 'Nullifer' when Galactus comes by? Come on! What's next, 'Galacti-basher?'That's just a bad story.

Originally posted by Never
This is incorrect. Rachel with the Phoenix Force whipped his ass, and she is not nearly as nasty as Dark Phoenix is.

At any rate, it occurred in this issue here:

Nate Grey as Shaman is not superior to Cable at full potential. Nate COULD be the most powerful psi, but capable of taking on ALL of the earth's psis? That's a bit much.

Alright, people have called me on this before, and I have to keep clarifying: when I say nobody can take Galactus, I mean no character without ultimate power-ups can take him. God-like celestial cosmic beings aside, no main hero/villain without these ultimate powers can take Galactus. The star-system eating Phoenix is more of a phenomenon than an actual character. Yeah it used Jean and Rachel and became a character, but it's the phenom rather than the figure that has the power. Tribunal, Eternity, Death, Phoenix, the Gauntlet, etc. they're all beyond physical characters in certain ways, I consider Galactus a regular physical character, even though he's cosmic.

the ultimate nullifier was just a shell. he bluffed galactus, and had galactus not believed him (and if the watcher hadnt been shielding reed richards from being telepathically scanned) galactus would have consumed earth.

Originally posted by Ponem
Nah, Nate Grey could whipe away everyone on earth if he wanted to with ease. He had enough power to re-distrubte it amongst all humans and mutants on the planet. Reed , in theory, would be smart enough to make something, given he has a few hours, days, probably weeks. And of course, Nate wouldnt give him that time if he really wanted him dead.

Potentially the joint forces of ALL the telepaths on Earth could take out nate long enough to get your heavy, heavy hitters out to stomp him a new one. One thing for sure, you'd need some pretty hard-asses to take him out.

Now; Thor however, isnt Human, nor Mutant xD Strongest version of Thor is SkyFather..something of a powerlevel that some people just do not want to accept.

present cable would be able to beat teenage xman.

Originally posted by JuggernautFan
the ultimate nullifier was just a shell. he bluffed galactus, and had galactus not believed him (and if the watcher hadnt been shielding reed richards from being telepathically scanned) galactus would have consumed earth.

Oh is that the storyline where Uatu got in trouble with the Watchers' Council for interefering in the universe? What happens if Galactus were to kill the Watcher? Do the rest of them gang up on him? That's interfering again!

Originally posted by Never
This is incorrect. Rachel with the Phoenix Force whipped his ass, and she is not nearly as nasty as Dark Phoenix is.

At any rate, it occurred in this issue here:

Nate Grey as Shaman is not superior to Cable at full potential. Nate COULD be the most powerful psi, but capable of taking on ALL of the earth's psis? That's a bit much.

I dont understand why people think hes inferior to cable...cable at full potential is not as powerfull as nate grey with full potential [both have full control too]. cable himself admitted it in issue 14 of X-man. its just a fact. and yea he did disperse his power to everyone on earth to save earth from some harvestor. he has incredible power...you guys just dont know nate grey well and i say that not merely due to being a fan, if you read his comics or power descriptions - he is almost always shown to be extremely powerfull....close to dark phoenix. he just wasn't ever shown at his complete full extent.

Though i do agree that if ALL tha psis' went against nate...he'd lose but still put up a good fight.