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As the series progressed Vegeta became less angry at Goku so that would be a stupid way for him to transform into any form. It was best the way they did it.

Vegeta was second best to Goku, but he finally respected him

I didn't like how useless piccilio became. He used to be on par with goku and in the end he was just above the krillien.

Piccolo was fine at first, but you are right.

Well once the whole alien thing was established anybody un-saiyan became really useless. And with the Super Saiyan thing it gets even worse for the humans or namek

Originally posted by LORDSIDIOUS01
Piccolo was fine at first, but you are right.

The only time Piccolo became useless was in the Buu saga. He was still involved in the entire series though & he wasn't just above Krillin's strength by the end of the series. He was above a trained Super Saiyan's strength in the Cell saga. That was proven true when he fused with Kami & was able to beat Android 17. By the Buu saga you could tell he continued training but where he had gotten by that point wasn't revealed. He could of very well been around a SSJ2's power. Note that I'm saying he could've been close to a SSJ2's power, I'm not saying he was at or above a SSJ2's power.

Originally posted by LORDSIDIOUS01
Vegeta was second best to Goku, but he finally respected him

Yeah, this is basically how it was at the end of DBZ:

Gohan
Goku
Vegeta
Piccolo

piccolo? i think goten and trunks were prob stronger

No way could either Goten or Trunks beat piccolo their just super kids who wouldn't stand a chance plus Piccolo is overall stronger. Gotenks is a different matter.

They could beat 18 I don't think it's to big a thing to say they could at least take on Piccolo at SSJ..Together. They never seem to be as good alone as they are together anyways. Piccolo during the Buu saga just seems to be weaker..He doesn't go with Gohan and them to Babidi's ship, he doesn't really do much of anything at all except train Goten and Trunks to fuse. ..Does Piccolo even train anymore after Kami and him fuse??

well as i look at end of dbz start of gt, kinda shows piccolo gets weaker so i think goten and trunks would be stronger at end of dbz when they r older

Um Goten is a weak ass punk who's more interested in girls than going SUPER SAYAIN, but GT is shit and should just be totaly forgoten about. Only people in GT who seemed to be stronger when it started were Goku, Vegeta and ubb... Thats it I think. Even Vegeta is questionable. Didn't seem as though Goten or Trunks had goten any stronger. And lets not even mention Gohan.

ok wait the green man omost beat cell in first form but still u do have to give him so credit because he can go super namik.

Originally posted by Adult Swim Guy
ok wait the green man omost beat cell in first form but still u do have to give him so credit because he can go super namik.

But Super Namik is nothing when compaired to SSJ3 goku. he got left out of the fighting at the end of the show.

ya i dont think i saw him 1 time in gt,like buu is stronger them him ubb everyone really lol o what about tien?

Tien was done after the sayain saga, helped out with cell but only for a few seconds.

I think they could and should have done more with all the characters they had.

Tien was done before the saiyan saga. He couldn't do much against Piccolo Daimo either. Though he did do pretty good against Nappa with only one arm compared to Piccolo and Krillen double teaming.

Also is it just me or was Gohan equal to Gokou in the saiyan saga. Cause he's able to fight against Vegeta. Or was it just the fact Vegeta was beaten up by Gokou so he had to go Oozaru then had his tail cut off??

Nah, Tien had a major part until after the Saiyan saga as did Yamcha. Even though they were pretty weak, I would've still liked to see the humans go up against Frieza for a while.

Yea that would have been cool. Though I guess in the anime we did get to see Tien and Yamcha being stronger then Vegeta when they easily beat Recoome, Burta, and Jeice

No, they still weren't stronger than Vegeta. The Ginyu Force all had power levels over 20,000 & when Vegeta died he had a power level of 1 million so even if that scene did happen in the manga that still wouldn't have made Tien, Yamcha, & Chiaotzu stronger than Vegeta. Besides that, the Ginyu Force should've been able to destroy them easily because all three of them were pretty weak so that scene didn't make sense at all.