The Official DragonBall Z thread

Originally posted by Ultimate Hulk43
I still don't think he was truly capable of defeating Cell. Also, Goku's Kamehameha couldn't have killed Cell. In order for him to do so, he would've had to use it at full power which would've destroyed the Earth. All Goku did then was make Cell stronger.

Goku only hit Cell's upper half of his body and every little bit of it was obliterated. If Cell would have been in the air then goku could have hit his entire body he would have been dead. But Goku didn't want to kill cell he just wanted to show Gohan that Cell can regenerate.

It has been like 8 years sense I watched it so I can't remember all the details but I do remember goku giving up the fight not because he couldn't beat cell but because he knew his son could do it. I have never watched the English version I think it maybe different because I have talked to a few people who say that Trunks was stronger than Vegetia when they come out of the time chamber and in the Japanese version Trunks isn’t stronger than vegeta.

No, that's wrong. Goku didn't know Cell could regenerate until after he had blown his upper body off. He wasn't showing Gohan Cell could regenerate, that's just wrong.

On the other hand, I finally got my hands on the DVD Broly: Second Coming. It was a great movie but Broly should've said more than just "KAKAROT!" all the time. Other than that, the movie was terrific. I was just glad that Gohan got the chance to fight & Goku didn't hog the glory.

Originally posted by Ultimate Hulk43
I still don't think he was truly capable of defeating Cell. Also, Goku's Kamehameha couldn't have killed Cell. In order for him to do so, he would've had to use it at full power which would've destroyed the Earth. All Goku did then was make Cell stronger.

Originally posted by Ultimate Hulk43
On the other hand, I finally got my hands on the DVD Broly: Second Coming. It was a great movie but Broly should've said more than just "KAKAROT!" all the time. Other than that, the movie was terrific. I was just glad that Gohan got the chance to fight & Goku didn't hog the glory.

Same here.

Well Goten did wish for help to beat Broli...Somehow without actually waking the dragon. I think Gokou helped out sort of like how he did in the Bojack movie but this time it was because of Goten's wish and not him just teleporting down to Earth to save Gohan.

The greatest part of Broli's second movie is Krillen in Piccolo's clothes. At least for me.

The only reason why Goku was probably able to assist his sons in their battle was because Goten wished for some help & that was the best help out there for them. That's the best explanation I can come up with.

Originally posted by Cloud_VII
He destroyed half of Cell's body, and let the other half lay there until Cell was able to regenerate completely. Goku could've destoyed Cell's remains if he wanted to, and he didn't know about Cell's ability to regenerate. It's also true that he wanted Gohan to fight, and that is when Cell started to reveal more of his power. By then, Goku didn't think that he could beat Cell, and knew Gohan was more powerful than both of them. Also, pretty much anyone from DBZ can destroy the Earth. However, an opponent such as Frieza or Cell demonstrate a great level of durability and can take many types of blasts.

That's true but he didn't destroy Cell's remains because he didn't know Cell could regenerate. So, all that did was make Cell stronger which made things worse for the Z Fighters. 😄

One thing I want to mention, if Vegeta would've been Broly's main nemesis his origin story could've worked out much better. King Vegeta did try to have him & his father killed afterall. Either way, he's my all time favorite DBZ villiain. What do you all think?

Yea...He should have wanted to kill Vegeta more then Gokou but didn't King Vegeta kill him? I mean he was stabbed through by King Vegeta and then as the planet explodes he takes him and his father away in a shield. How did he survive that? He's also my favorite villain to bad his clone was so much weaker then him.

The wounds probably weren't too severe so they were able to survive.

True.

I would've liked for Broly's third movie to revolve around him having survived being shot into the sun. His wounds could've been so severe that his power level becomes dramatically larger, even large enough to rival Goku as a SSJ3.

Nah I don't think that would have been good. Cause the sun is what actually killed him. He blocked the blast from the Son family. They just shot him away nothing else really. I think He could rival Gokou at SSJ3, and he can hold his power at full unlike Gokou. His body just has to let off energy so he doesn't kill himself. Which is the main reason I believe he looses in the first movie. But that's just my own opinion.

Yeah, & Broly would have the advantage anyway because his power is almost always increasing while other Saiyans' power decreases.

*nods* To bad he couldn't hold all of his energy. I still don't understand how Gokou getting energy from all the rest of them was able to stop Broli so effortlessly. And he couldn't do it until Vegeta gave his energy to him. Did Vegeta's energy really increase him so much more then the rest or something?

Yeah, it was because Toei made it like Vegeta was the second strongest after Goku when Gohan was supposed to be the second strongest after Goku. So, Vegeta's energy shouldn't have really have halped Goku at all, especially since Broly had just powered up again before the end of their fight.

I always though it was always Gohan > Gokou > Vegeta. Even when Gohan was younger during the saiyan saga. Mainly because Gohan was able to hold his own against Vegeta without having a power-up move. Just I always thought Gokou was just a whole lot better fighter which is why Gokou always seems the best.

No, Gohan was stronger than Goku at the beginning of DBZ (Gohan's power level was 712, Goku's was 333). Then, when Goku died & was wished back, he became far stronger than Gohan. Besides, when Gohan was fighting Vegeta, it was after Vegeta had already been battling Goku & Vegeta was just toying with him anyway or I'm probably forgetting some details. Gohan only became stronger than Goku again when Gohan became a SSJ2.