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I have no idea. Maybe just because he couldn't beat Freeza the first time. I don't know why Cell didn't come out behind him though because I didn't see him or Broli but I did see Paragus.

Originally posted by Mirai Gohan
Vegeta, no, because Saiyans only live up to 110 I believe.

Originally posted by Mirai Gohan
They live to be about 120 or 130 years but age slower than humans, Bulma made a big deal about it at the end of the manga when Vegeta went to visit Goku & Goku was training Goten.

First you said 110 then you said 120 or 130 was what you thought their life span is. I just said Vegeta doesn't say nothing about how long they'll live and it seems to be they'd live more than 10, 20, or 30 years longer if they stay in their prime a lot longer.

I never said he did, I just stated how long I think they live to be & Vegeta clearly states Saiyans age slower, I've said that about four times already.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Meh. Something just occurred to me. How come Frieza was in the Fusion Reborn movie (with Pikkon and Janemba) confronting Gohan, and not Cell? They still had him in that story part of DBZ: BT2 though. That's messed up.

Not sure but it was pretty awesome seeing Gohan annilhate Freeza like that. 😎

Originally posted by Kento
I have no idea. Maybe just because he couldn't beat Freeza the first time. I don't know why Cell didn't come out behind him though because I didn't see him or Broli but I did see Paragus.

Speaking of which, I hope he appears in DBZ: BT3.

Originally posted by Mirai Gohan
Not sure but it was pretty awesome seeing Gohan annilhate Freeza like that. 😎

At this point, as much as I want him to be in the game, he probably won't be. I do like Paragas but I mainly want him in the game to contribute to Broly's story.

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Reported.

Getting back to an earlier debate, I'm reading the manga right now & Vegeta clearly states that he's closed the gap between him & Gohan which means he's stronger which also means he's a Super Saiyan 2.

Originally posted by Mirai Gohan
At this point, as much as I want him to be in the game, he probably won't be. I do like Paragas but I mainly want him in the game to contribute to Broly's story.

Meh. At least that's what I'm guessing will happen, if he's in the game at all.

Originally posted by Mirai Gohan
Getting back to an earlier debate, I'm reading the manga right now & Vegeta clearly states that he's closed the gap between him & Gohan which means he's stronger which also means he's a Super Saiyan 2.

kidbuu23's situation is being dealt with...

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Paragus was shown in Fusion Reborn? Funny. I didn't notice that. Guess I need to be a little more observant...

Speaking of which, I hope he appears in DBZ: BT3.

Originally posted by Mirai Gohan
Getting back to an earlier debate, I'm reading the manga right now & Vegeta clearly states that he's closed the gap between him & Gohan which means he's stronger which also means he's a Super Saiyan 2.

Really? Do you have a scan? And it's not hard to close the gap between somebody when you get stronger and he gets weaker.

I'd have to get to it later but that's what Vegeta said:

Vegeta: While you've been living the easy life, I've been training.

It was something like that & once I get the scan I'll post it. It should be soon.

Here's the scan:

Undeniable proof that Vegeta had trained & became stronger than Gohan during that seven year period from the Cell Games to the Budokai.

He never really states he has closed that gap.

Really he does, he says that there was a gap between the two a while back & while Gohan has been relaxed he's been training. You just refuse to believe Vegeta is stronger when he clearly is. The proof is right there, it's ridiculous to say Gohan is stronger than Vegeta at that point.

There is a huge difference between Gohan and Vegeta though. Gohan doesn't need to train to have his power. Look at when Radditz came to Earth. He hadn't trained a day in his life yet he was stronger than Radditz when he got angry. Just because he doesn't train and Vegeta does isn't going to make a difference. And I've already said Vegeta would beat Gohan at that point because Gohan's power is tied to his anger and he wouldn't get angry fighting Vegeta.

Gohan does need to train to have his power. Before getting his mystic power up, Gohan could only become so strong. Yes, he has more hidden potential but that potential becomes more buried the more he doesn't train. Vegeta trains which increases his strength, speed, reflexes, etc. Gohan didn't train at all during that seven year period until Videl threatened to expose him as the Great Saiyaman. He probably gained back about 10 to 20% of his strength but that's still not as strong as Vegeta. And to tell you the truth, I don't really think there's a really big power difference between FPSSJ2 Vegeta & SSJ3 Goku.

And what makes you think Vegeta was a FPSSJ2? He didn't do anything to train to become one. He was just a SSJ2 just like he was just a SSJ before that. Gokou has more of a chance of being a FPSSJ2 because he had more chance to train at it and could do as he did to become a FPSSJ. And there was a big power difference between SSj2 and SSJ3 Vegeta was getting manhandled by Fat Buu, Gokou was toying with Fat Buu. There is no way that SSJ2 Vegeta could even compare to SSJ3 Gokou.

Here's how I see it: During the seven years after the Cell Games ended, Vegeta trained hard, in a gravity room might I add. I think that he became a Super Saiyan 2. He may not have been a Fully Powered Super Saiyan 2 but I'm sure he was one. Now, when Vegeta became Majin Vegeta & was a Super Saiyan 2, I'm sure Goku went all out while in his Super Saiyan 2 form which he had to train to the fullest to attain the Super Saiyan 3 form. I think that after Vegeta died & came back to Earth, he had become a Fully Powered Super Saiyan 2 due to the Majin charm. I think that the Majin charm helped him to perfect his Super Saiyan 2 form.

That doesn't explain the whole SSJ2 Vegeta near SSJ3 Gokou. Kid Buu was toying with SSJ3 Gokou, SSJ2 Vegeta, and Fat Buu but Gokou was able to last. Vegeta and Fat Buu were just about killed in less than a minute.