Originally posted by KentoBut it's unfair to put a punch against a blasts. A blast can engulf and vaporize while a punch can't. Plus the moon was a lot smaller and Roshi used his full power while Hulk wasn't even angry.
Is unfair for me to categorize Goku in Marvel standars, is unfair to talk about others characters in this thread that is supose to be DBZ thread and finally is unfair ignore that in any croosover with Any DB character, ignore that his main power is their blast, some start make comparison of with Goku particularly, well i am defending DBZ main argument to defeat those characters are their Blast.
And the blast desintegrate more durable elements than the moon as there are more stronger characters than Roshi.
Originally posted by superkronick92
Heat vision lobotomy isn't visible, all supes has to do is make eye contact, nd fire a low intensity beam, through his cornea, into his brain, Goku wouldn't even feel it
Will all due respect to your opinion heat vision is allways visible in comics and animated, and even if is supposed to be invisible, the same can be said from the ray Piccolo is using, Piccolo is in from of Goku, he is make eye contact with Goku, they are holding hands in the battle pushing each other and Goku avoided, the scan speak for itself.
Originally posted by Kento
Freeza never destroyed a planet outright, Gohan's stronger blast than Cell's just made a huge crater, and the Super Buu destroying dimensions with a scream against Vegetto was a filler episode. Kid Buu never destroyed a galaxy in one shot and he was stronger than Cell. He destroyed planet after planet one at a time. Yes, ya know that planets still existed after Broli supposedly destroyed a galaxy mean nothing I guess.
Cell and Gohan are sending each other disintegrating beams, with the power that this characters have, they are not making explosions.
Cell saying he has energy to destroy a solar system could mean the beam he send have that power concentrated in his beam, or that Cell has a huge amount of energy and that he could be long periods of time without running out of energy,enough to destroy a solar sistem, and the prove is he fought long time with Gohan Kamehame ha and they make the whole planet shake. to make a whole planet shake its need a huge amount of power.
Brolly is non canon, and never was specify how Buu destroy countless planes, Buu enjoy kill living beings, but in his technique human annihilation, he prove he has enough energy to destroy more than a mere planet.
Originally posted by Vvendeta
Will all due respect to your opinion heat vision is allways visible in comics and animated, and even if is supposed to be invisible, the same can be said from the ray Piccolo is using, Piccolo is in from of Goku, he is make eye contact with Goku, they are holding hands in the battle pushing each other and Goku avoided, the scan speak for itself.
I was actually referencing Superman vs Manchester Black, who is a very high level telepath who could basically do anything by thinking of it, like giving Superman a stroke, Eventually, Supes lobotomized him so fast he didn't realized it. He used a mix of heat, x-ray, and microscopic vision to look inside his brain, finds the overdeveloped part that gave him his powers and cut it out.
Originally posted by VvendetaPut Roshi's blast against any other blaster and it would be fine. But what somebody can do with a blast is completely different than what somebody can do with a fist unless that fist is large enough to completely cover the thing that is being punched. Roshi's Kamehameha and Cyclops Optic Blast or Superman's Heat Vision can be compared but you can't compare Hulk's strength to Superman's Heat Vision or to any other blast that disintegrates.
Is unfair for me to categorize Goku in Marvel standars, is unfair to talk about others characters in this thread that is supose to be DBZ thread and finally is unfair ignore that in any croosover with Any DB character, ignore that his main power is their blast, some start make comparison of with Goku particularly, well i am defending DBZ main argument to defeat those characters are their Blast.And the blast desintegrate more durable elements than the moon as there are more stronger characters than Roshi.
Originally posted by WHITEBEARDFreeza destroyed Planet Vegeta exactly the same way that he destroyed Namek he just makes it go faster. Lava spews out everywhere, people have time to scream, planet goes boom a few seconds later after the blast is gone.
1.Freeza busted Planet Vegeta with his Finger.2.Gohan has Ki control, Just like with Vegeta with his Final Flash, Gohan don't want to bust the soloar system. 🙄
Do you know what KI control is?
3.No, Filler............Toriyama states the Anime & manga the same, thus = Canon.
4 Brolly busted a galaxy, you need to stop hating & wacth the movie again, the South galaxy was what? gone. 😎
Vegeta sent his off into space, well I'm not sure what he did in the manga I forget while Gohan doesn't go off into space and all that's left is a large crater. Also Vegeta was blasting himself, Gohan was blasting against something and had to put all his energy into it.
The whole Vegetto vs Buu fight was nothing but filler for the most part. The anime and the manga aren't the same.
Originally posted by Ridley_PrimeGohan wasn't using all the power he had left. Gokou even says this to him and tells him to release all his power. Gohan just doesn't let it all out until Vegeta blasts Cell.
Um, planet Vegeta anyone?If you're referring to the final battle, Gohan's blast wasn't stronger. If that were the case, he wouldn't have needed Vegeta or anyone's help to beat Cell. Cell actually had the advantage up until Vegeta's attack, so technically, his blast was stronger. The fact Gohan only had half his power supports that.
He also did the scream thing (breaking a dimension) to escape the Hyperbolic Time Chamber 😬 (after Piccolo destroyed the door/entrance).
I know he did it then and it's canon. When he was ripping up all of reality wasn't canon.
Originally posted by superkronick92
I was actually referencing Superman vs Manchester Black, who is a very high level telepath who could basically do anything by thinking of it, like giving Superman a stroke, Eventually, Supes lobotomized him so fast he didn't realized it. He used a mix of heat, x-ray, and microscopic vision to look inside his brain, finds the overdeveloped part that gave him his powers and cut it out.
Goku is not Manchester Black, Manchester Black speed or strenght or reflexes comparing with Goku is just absurd.
Originally posted by Kento
[B]Put Roshi's blast against any other blaster and it would be fine. But what somebody can do with a blast is completely different than what somebody can do with a fist unless that fist is large enough to completely cover the thing that is being punched. Roshi's Kamehameha and Cyclops Optic Blast or Superman's Heat Vision can be compared but you can't compare Hulk's strength to Superman's Heat Vision or to any other blast that disintegrates. Freeza destroyed Planet Vegeta exactly the same way that he destroyed Namek he just makes it go faster. Lava spews out everywhere, people have time to scream, planet goes boom a few seconds later after the blast is gone.
Here only Vegeta notice that Goku power up his attack in a second, Krillin, Gohan and the scouters of Burtha and Jeeze allways show that Goku has inferior strenght than Racoome, that is why they don´t understand how Goku beat Racoome, all but Vegeta who allready it a Senzu and power up his sbilities
Originally posted by VvendetaBecause a lot of being are physically stronger than Gokou. And the beings that largely surpass him in strength can take his blasts also. Even if he does power up ki with attacks they aren't as strong as his blasts are at all. That's just ridiculous. What he can do with blasts he can't replicate with his fists. He wouldn't be able to even break apart the moon with a punch while he could vaporize it in a blasts.
Some of you start talking about beings that are stronger than Goku, and making claims of how easy Goku will lose, and i am Saying that DBZ blast are capable to defeat most of those beings by proving the power they have, and Goku power up with Ki his body parts, he show this when he kill the first Piccolo, in front of Trunks with his finger, when he beat Racoome, so his punch and kicks can have the power of his blast.Here only Vegeta notice that Goku power up his attack in a second, Krillin, Gohan and the scouters of Burtha and Jeeze allways show that Goku has inferior strenght than Racoome, that is why they don´t understand how Goku beat Racoome, all but Vegeta who allready it a Senzu and power up his sbilities
Originally posted by Kento
Freeza destroyed Planet Vegeta exactly the same way that he destroyed Namek he just makes it go faster. Lava spews out everywhere, people have time to scream, planet goes boom a few seconds later after the blast is gone.
Nope, Freeza just busted it.
Vegeta sent his off into space, well I'm not sure what he did in the manga I forget while Gohan doesn't go off into space and all that's left is a large crater. Also Vegeta was blasting himself, Gohan was blasting against something and had to put all his energy into it.
Vegeta has KI control , so Does Gohan, do you KNOW what KI control is? Besides Vegeta helped Gohan, Gohan didn't just over power Cell.
The whole Vegetto vs Buu fight was nothing but filler for the most part. The anime and the manga aren't the same.
Toriyama states the Anime & manga the same, thus = Canon
Canon > Your Opinions
Pyron is SSJ level at best. He is nothing compared to Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Picollo, Goten, Trunks, Tien or any fusion
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Look at the difference. Goku's piss>>>>>>Pyrons full power. Look at Pyrons counterfiet IT
Pyron is SSJ level at best. He is nothing compared to Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Picollo, Goten, Trunks, Tien or any fusion
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Look at the difference. Goku's piss>>>>>>Pyrons full power. Look at Pyrons counterfiet IT
Originally posted by WHITEBEARDThat's why it didn't blow up right after the blast disappeared and sat there for a bit then blew up...
Nope, Freeza just busted it.Vegeta has [B]KI control
, so Does Gohan, do you KNOW what KI control is? Besides Vegeta helped Gohan, Gohan didn't just over power Cell.Toriyama states the Anime & manga the same, thus = Canon
Canon > Your Opinions [/B]
Gohan did overpower Cell. Gokou makes Gohan release all the power he was holding in. Vegeta's attack didn't make Cell's attack any weaker at all.
And Akira had nothing to do with filler fight scenes at all. Next you're going to tell me that Garlic Jr. is canon.
Originally posted by Sarutobi700Reasons why this post phails:
Pyron is SSJ level at best. He is nothing compared to Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Picollo, Goten, Trunks, Tien or any fusion
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YouTube videoLook at the difference. Goku's piss>>>>>>Pyrons full power. Look at Pyrons counterfiet IT
1. Pyron from the OVA is not canon Pyron in terms of power level, he is far weaker.
2. Pyron from the OVA was at 20% power in that vid.
3. Pyron was toying with them all at 20% power.
4. Pyron at 20% power flew around the whole world in seconds.