beyonder vs. alpha

That marvunapp.com site is weird, i couldn't even fine cyclops on it...

He's not. He was billed as such during the Secret Wars, but Thanos was billed as the same in the Infinity Gauntlet, Onslaught was billed as at least most powerful force on Earth, etc. It depends on the storyline. They're not going to say 'he's a pretty powerful guy, but nothing special.' Beyonder has so much power because he's not part of this universe, but he was still capable of being destroyed. Tribunal, Eternity, Galactus, all those are stronger.

yes he is weaker than stranger, but stranger was 1 of the four people creating earth, which almost makes them gods. and anyways is says presumebly not is weaker

Pre-reconned Beyonder > LT

LT > Post-reconned Beyonder > Alpha

Doom only gained Pre-reconned Beyonder's powers after absorbing the power of a Full Powered Galactus. Even with Galactus' power, Doom admitted he was still no match for the Beyonder, yet it didn't stop Doom from trying. I stole the Beyonder's power but was later tricked by the Beyonder who took his power back.

Mephisto was only able to challenge Beyonder after using Eternity to fuel his machine which was meant to use redirect all of Beyonder's power on himself and destroy him.

Like hell he was more powerful than Living Tribunal. That's absurd. There is no power greater than LT except 'God.'

There is no "God" in the Marvel universe. I think people refer to him as The One Above All.

I know, I just didn't feel like typing 'The One Above All.' Damn, see what you made me do! *sigh*

He was ABOVE LT. Marvel invented TOAA after the Beyonder. The Beyonder was RECONNED after Marvel writters decided he was too powerful - basically GOD level. In Secret Wars I, Beyonder didn't even have a body. Marvel then reconned the Beyonder. Later on, TOAA was added. But unlike the Beyonder, TOAA is only SPOKEN of but never SEEN. He's all power but doesn't interfere like the Beyonder did. TOAA = GOD without Marvel refering to him as GOD.

Pre-reconned Beyonder > LT.

I know, I just didn't feel like typing 'The One Above All.' Damn, see what you made me do! *sigh*

yeah living tribunal is the most powerful being in the marvel as specture is the most powerful in dc. no one (even superman, juggernaut, or hulk) can beat them (althought they did fight, but they both won/lost)

Originally posted by Beyonder
Pre-reconned Beyonder > LT.

No. Sorry.

wrathofachilles

No. Sorry.

You really proved your point with that statement. 🙄

I don't need to prove my point. I think it's fairly obvious already.

...fairly obvious that you haven't read Secret Wars I & II - fairly obvious then. 😉

I think Beyonder is right : the early version of the Beyonder - Secret Wars I and II (before his powers were cut down by Marvel because they didn't want a godlike character) - was probably THE most powerful character EVER. In Secret Wars II, the Beyonder even claimed he was so strong that "no force in the universe can destroy me without my explicit permission !" or something like that.

I don't think Alpha can say the same thing...

Maybe the Beyonder wasn't as powerful as LT, but certainly more powerful than Eternity, who was afraid of him.

Beyonder also stated that he is to Eternity as Eternity is to a human.

Hell, I state that on a regular basis, doesn't make it so. You don't believe people's own subjective claims, you believe objective evidence. Beyonder was insanely powerful, but he had vulnerabilities. Living Tribunal could snap his fingers and will anything to be done. Period.

And I did read Secret Wars I.

Originally posted by wrathofachilles
Hell, I state that on a regular basis, doesn't make it so. You don't believe people's own subjective claims, you believe objective evidence. Beyonder was insanely powerful, but he had vulnerabilities. Living Tribunal could snap his fingers and will anything to be done. Period.

And the Beyonder certainly was more powerful than Mephisto, Galactus, Death, the Celestials and Eternity (who was willing to sacrifice one third of the entire universe - himself - to try to destroy the Beyonder).

And definitely more powerful than Alpha.

wrathofachilles

Hell, I state that on a regular basis, doesn't make it so. You don't believe people's own subjective claims, you believe objective evidence. Beyonder was insanely powerful, but he had vulnerabilities. Living Tribunal could snap his fingers and will anything to be done. Period.

You mean it took Beyonder more effort than a snap of the fingers to bring a group of heroes and villains and Galactus to another planet? Or are talking about when the Beyonder threatened to destroy the universe with a thought if the Celestials didn't act? Or are you talking about when Beyonder destroyed a galaxy with a thought? Hell, why snap fingers when a mere thought can destroy the universe.