Surfer is not equal in strength to Superman. He's faster, about as durable, and has the power cosmic, but he is NOT stronger. People overestimate Surfer's strength. His power cosmic allows him to lift over 100 tons, but he doesn't start at that and the power cosmic allows him to lift exponentially above that like Hulk and Superman are capable of doing.
As for Superman not having fighting ability, he's been used to beating people into unconsciousness with a fist for 60 years, he hasn't really needed to develop much fighting ability until the Doomsday era.
flash runs almost at the speed of light, i doubt that surfer can run that fast. but the thing here is that i have never seen surfer running he always uses his board, one time he fough quicksilver, he beat him in 2 seconds, and he didn´t move, he didn´t need to ran after him lol.
now the board his faster then flash.
Old Superman is much faster than Surfer. New Superman has been heavily decreased in speed. Remember when the older Superman and Flash tied in a footrace? Then DC decided that was pathetic that Flash couldn't win against anyone at a test of speed considering that's all he has, so they decided to increase Flash and decrease Supes. I still like Old Superman best.
Quicksilver is waaaay faster than he used to be, but still no match for Flash. I forget the name of the individual who augmented his then so-so speed.
For those doubting Silver Surfer's ability to power up substantially (strength-wise), care to theorize on just how strong the Power Cosmic allows Silver Surfer to be? I bet you have no clue.
Current Superman is but a shell of the nigh-Godlike PC Superman, and prone to many an ass-whipping -- he could not overcome The Shaggy Man; Captain Marvel knocked him out; he is no match for Doomsday; Martian Manhunter is his superior; Wonder Woman is VERY close in terms of strength and CAN beat him.
Superman's strength is not limitless. PC Superman, yes. Current? Nowhere near. He is comfortably BELOW Hulk, and for the last time, overall, he is about equal with Thor. Ask Kurt Busiek on AOL chat; ask Mark Waid at the same spot. E-mail Dan Jurgens. As a matter of fact, would you like to know what Dan Jurgens said, verbatim? Here you go:
"After numerous e-mails from friends pointing to a minor firestorm of sorts regarding my comments relating to the power levels of Thor and Superman, I thought some clarity might help.
Yes, in the exchange, I was asked if Superman was a million times more powerful than Thor. I said yes.
I also chuckled as I said it, a very important part of the response that did not translate into print. I don't blame Rich as he gave me the chance to edit the interview. Quite frankly, it never occurred to me that anyone would seriously think that statement was an accurate representation of my belief on the matter.
So... we screwed up.
Superman is NOT a million times more powerful than Thor. In my book, he is probably not even twice as powerful as Thor. Superman has more expansive powers than Thor, IMO, thanks to his vision powers, etc.
I also think they fight quite differently. Thor tends to be more of a brawny reactionary type, while Superman probably fights with a more strategic approach. Thor is more likely to cut loose with the full measure of his powers as he does not have the "dampers" on that power that Superman was raised with. Both qualities can be an advantage or disadvantage, depending on the circumstances.
If they fought ten times, neither would win all ten, or even seven, eight or nine battles, for that matter. Not anymore than the Miami Dolphins would beat the Jets ten games out of ten.
I apologize for any confusion.
DJ"
Do notice where he opined that they are ABOUT EQUAL overall ("If they fought ten times, neither would win all ten, or even seven, eight or nine battles, for that matter."😉. But I digress...
At any rate, Silver Surfer does not need any h2h skills to overcome Superman. Battles do not always boil down to h2h ability. Hell, look at Darkseid vs. Galactus in the crossover. Was one punch thrown? Even when Surfer almost killed Orion - few punches, tons of blasts.
Feel free to disagree, but the stronger case can be made for Silver Surfer overcoming Superman pursuant to his past history and overall superiority in terms of power. Create a scenario wherein Surfer is protecting Galactus whilst he prepares a planet for conversion...and Superman waltzes in.
I will put my money on Silver Surfer.
Being that I'm old-fashioned, whenever I consider Superman, I always consider the Pre-crisis Superman. I refuse to accept making him into a pansy-ass lol. It was a horrible idea, and there have been plenty of horrible ideas. Thus when I say I think Superman can take out Surfer, I mean original Superman, who is AT LEAST Hulk's equal and probably his superior in strength.
Originally posted by wrathofachilles
Thus when I say I think Superman can take out Surfer, I mean original Superman, who is AT LEAST Hulk's equal and probably his superior in strength.
PC Superman dragged planets, flew through starts, exceeded the speed of light - it's a pretty safe bet to say that he was stronger than The Hulk. That's why DC (John Byrne) made the decision to depower him -- they were running out of ideas on how to challenge a nigh omnipotent Superman. No argument on that one.
Well Hulk could probably drag planets if he gets mad enough, but it would be difficult considering he can't travel in space. I get that there was difficulty in coming up with new ideas, but the drastic decrease in power just makes it sad now. Superman was THE hero, long before any other hero was a hero. Now he's over-powered by too many.